RfA Blurb

Hello, I'm Charitwo. This is my second time running for Central adminship here, I previously ran at the start of October last year. Although intentions were well meaning, I didn't really have enough experience at Wikia or on Central to be qualified. I started out on Wikia by moving here from self-hosting for the wiki known as FFXIclopedia, I joined there in November of 06 and started actively editing in February. After spending a good deal of too much time there, I was given the Wikia equivalent of rollback in July and made an admin in September. I have since been there as my "home wiki". Outside of FFXIclopedia, I have started to focus on wikis in the Gaming hub and helping out wherever needed, especially on games due for release soon. My current area of focus in the gaming network is the Super Smash Bros. wiki, it's currently due for March release.

I feel I am ready this time. I have had experience spending time tracking down spam with the help of google and the #cvn-wikia channel on freenode. Reporting it to janitors and/or the Spam Blacklist talk page and getting relevant links blacklisted. I feel it would be helpful to my efforts and Wikia for me to have access to the spam and title blacklist. I also monitor recent changes here for vandalism, spam, and marking irrelevant images for a 1-week expiry.

I am also almost always on #wikia on freenode when I am online helping out people who need help, interacting with the community, and just overall having a good time with others; except on bad days like Tuesday, in which I really should not have signed on. I apologize for those around for that. It would be a great privilege to be selected for Central adminship and I hope you consider me.

Sincerely,
--Charitwo 14:07, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

Support

• Strong support -- Tomsen (talk) 17:55, 24 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support, I have no objections. Медиа (Wassily Steik) 03:44, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong support While he does have some off days (but, hey: who doesn't?), he is generally a very responsible person as well as a strong part of the Wikia community. I feel that he would be responsible in using the newfound buttons and that Wikia would benefit by him having them. --Skizzerz ^talk 15:13, 25 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong support - you have worked hard since your last RfA, and it seems its about time that you get what you deserve though you need to learn to tag images/articles accordingly and properly..I opposed your last RfA due to lack of edits on Central and looking through your impressive contribution, its clear you have been very hard-working ..good.luck ..well deserving :) ..--Cometstyles 00:35, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

*Support Good luck. Vagstar (leave me a message) 04:10, 26 January 2008 (UTC)

• Weak Support Temperment is still an issue, but the helpfulness of this user has outweighed this facet of his personality. Go get 'em! Razorflame 04:21, 27 January 2008 (UTC)
• Support Recent developments have enlightened me. Yes, he still has a bit of what to work on, but i think he'll make a fine admin. Good luck, man! {{SUBST:User:DeFender1031/sig}} 01:26, 29 January 2008 (UTC)
• Strong Support Charitwo's always been very nice, and helpful to me on Wikia. -- Phillip ^(talk) 00:22, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Oppose

• Strong oppose - In my limited dealings with Charitwo in #wikia and elsewhere, it has struck me that he does not possess the temperament to serve as an admin at Central. In his anti-vandalism duties, rather than make polite requests of me as a Wookieepedia admin, Charitwo simply demands that I block IPs or users with little or no explanation, which doesn't fly at a wiki where a large body of users cooperates with one another. When I recently attempted to intervene on behalf of a user that was hastily blocked by Charitwo from #wikia for making a single, non-personal-attack post in the channel, Charitwo seemed more eager to make certain his authority was noted than to reason with me. As far as "off days" go, all in all I haven't seen Charitwo outside of an "off day" as I would see it so far, and that is not the sort of cooperative behavior I would recommend in a Central admin. In fact, I imagine that his idea of being an admin is trying to get others into trouble. Regarding this "my way or the highway" attitude I've frequently received from Charitwo: I'd rather take the highway. Graestan^(Talk) 02:09, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Graestan, I defended you on that talk page. --Charitwo^Talk 02:17, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if that was a misunderstanding, but to me it read like you were saying that I should know better. At any rate, I took exception to your nosing into the affairs of others in that manner. Angela can speak to me directly if there is a concern, and since there wasn't, she didn't. Graestan^(Talk) 22:45, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Sorry if you felt that way, I'll refrain from doing so in the future. --Charitwo^Talk 02:54, 28 January 2008 (UTC)

I read the post on Angela's page, and i don't really see how that can possibly be interpreted to mean what you say it means. The line, "This is very strange, I know Graestan, and he does not seem like the type of person who would respond negatively to a Welcome message." is a clear defense. His other mention of you, "Graestan has been around for quite a while." could be taken out of context to mean "Graestan has been around for long enough to know better", but let me point out some context to hopefully clear this up:

1. The entire post is addressing Yunzhong Hou
2. This line is immediately preceded by "...but as Wikias user database is shared, I am for certain they did not just create an account."

Taken for what it is, it seems to me that Charitwo was simply explaining to Yunzhong Hou that wikia shares a user list, and that therefore you are not a new user, even though you have never touched that particular wiki. This was not an attack on you, it was an explanation of why you were confused to have been welcomed, hence a DEFENSE. It would be a shame for a good editor and admin's chance at central adminship to be jeopardized over something that is clearly a misunderstanding. {{SUBST:User:DeFender1031/sig}} 03:04, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - as per Graestan. Temperment is a big issue that he needs to work on before I will support him becoming an administrator on here. Razorflame 02:15, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Razorflame, you stalk me on IRC, you're obsessed with me. You tried to force private information from a checkuser by harassing her also. I've politely asked you to not badger me on a daily basis. I can't even /ignore you because I make a habit of keeping people off ignore in case they have a question. --Charitwo^Talk 02:22, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

Just to let you know, I've already apologized to that checkuser about that and have ceased communications with her. As for stalking on the IRC channel, the only thing I do is say hi to you whenever you log on, and you never respond. I do not stalk you. In fact, I haven't talked to you much in the past week (with the exception for today). Just from being on #wikia, I have noted that your temperment is an issue, and that's why I posted this here. If you think my vote is bad faith, then go ahead and take it up with the staff, but I am telling you that this has nothing to do with the way you treated me on #wikia today. I will say this though: When it comes to Wikia, you are very knowledgable. That is a good thing. I am not opposing you because of a personal vendetta against you, I am opposing you because I have concerns about your ability to handle users on a daily basis. Razorflame 02:28, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't say hi to you because I don't like you, but that still doesn't mean I won't answer your questions (like I did about your question about wiki requests). You need to stop pretending that I'm your friend because I'm not. You constantly highlight me with unrelated banter that I really don't have time for, even when I ask you not to. You even try to butt into my personal life which is frankly none of your business. I'll respond to wikia related questions but I don't wish to respond to anything else, that is my choice and you can't understand that, and you continue to highlight me and harass me in PM trying to get me to "be your friend". Furthermore, I don't see how IRC has anything to do with this RfA or what I do on Wikia. Stalking is neither flattering nor appreciated. I'd appreciate it if you left me alone. --Charitwo^Talk 02:36, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

As I've already stated, I am NOT stalking you. And just because you don't like me doesn't mean that you still can't say Hi to me. I do not consider you a friend. If you think I am stalking you, then that is your opinion, but I am not stalking you. As for your question about how IRC doesn't have anything to do with this RfA, it does. It shows what kind of person you are, and that is important when trying to determine if an applicant is worthy of the adminship. If you think I am pretending to be your friend like you said, that is untrue. You are neither a friend, nor acquaintance of mine. I have heard you the first time about not asking any questions other than wikia questions. I only asked you that question to advance the discussion more. If you can't even say Hi to a user on #wikia, then what chance do you have of making good logical decisions on here? Razorflame 02:42, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• Strong oppose - I agree with Graestan. There is more to being a good admin than being a good editor, and Charitwo does not have the self-control or patience required for such a position. {{SUBST:User:DeFender1031/sig}} 04:38, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

weak oppose i still think that he has what to work on, but i was judging by a single event that was an isolated incident. Yes, he does come off as harsh quite a lot, but it's not really as bad as all that, changing to weak oppose. {{SUBST:User:DeFender1031/sig}} 00:17, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose – It's nothing personal against Charitwo, because I don't believe that this stuff should ever turn personal in nature — it should be strictly based on merit and wheather the user in question can be trusted by the community, staff, and current admins, to be responsible as a "face" of Wikia. The administrator's of Central Wikia alot of the time, in my opinion, are often seen as what Wikia represents to new users, and also established users. While I have had several working experiences with Charitwo in IRC and on various Wikia, I don't believe that he currently holds the mettle or temperament to be a Central Admin. Over the last few months, I have witnessed too many events involving Charitwo that should have been handled with more care, with more precision, or with more diplomacy. Specific examples of these are widespread, as can be seen with the various other edits and votes (both struck and unstruck) which proliferate this RFA. I, personally, am reluctant to post any examples simply because of what I started this post out with — this doesn't need to turn personal at all. I haven't voted on this RFA up until now, because I wanted to really weigh all of the pros and cons before I voted either way. Unfortunately, at this point and time, judging from what I've experienced over the last few months, and recently since the new year, I have to vote oppose and stand by that decision. Greyman^(Paratus) 14:49, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Most of the examples brought up in this RfA have been misunderstandings and have since been worked out between 1 or more parties. As for Graestan, I don't know what brought about his comments, I've always had a pleasant experience when speaking with him, usually over Skype. Which is why I was defending him on Angela's talk page, because he is not that kind of person. That issue was a misunderstanding of a feature that may or may not have been broken, and isn't a big deal. --Charitwo^Talk 18:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose. While you're a helpful member of the community and have assisted the janitors in finding spam, your general behavior is worrying me. In the immortal words of Sannse, "those that want them [flags] too badly usually turn out to be the wrong" and that still holds true.

To be completely honest, your IRC behavior - at least in #wikia - sometimes scares me. You once told Miranda in #wikia to "go away" after she said "hi" to you. Imagine if a very new Wikian had seen that - would he/she have felt welcome? I imagine that the user might've left the channel rather quickly, never to be seen again in there. I also see no point in random voicings of user - voice is an useless status which should only be used when the channel is moderated (channel mode +m), which it hasn't been since...Datrio's times (summer 2007)? You've voiced ChristineV quite a few times for no apparent reason at all. It's very good to have friends, but random stuff like that can be taken into private / non-#wikia channels.

In my opinion, you're trying too hard. Compare your blurb to the one I had in my RfA. Take a wikibreak or two if you feel like it, improve the points people have kindly pointed out to you and try again. I'm sure you can improve on those points, just remember to take it easy and follow examples of staff and other respected community members (such as the ones given by other Central admins, janitors and helpers). --Jack Phoenix _(Contact) 15:23, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Miranda often comes in the channel just to troll, most recently to yell at Pinky (twice). Then leaves after she's done. Some of these people, while can be bothersome on occasion or often, sometimes come in with legitimate questions, and I want to be available to answer them, so I make a habit of not ignoring anyone. And why are you bring up "pointless op actions", when you've been banning all opera users? Wikia is not a browser war, that ban takes up space for real people who come in to disrupt the channel. Then we remove the bans after a few weeks have passed. Voicing for fun for a minute or so doesn’t hurt anyone, if I was giving random people OP, then I could see a problem, but like you said, voice doesn’t do anything. I don’t see why it’s an issue that needs to be brought up, especially by a self-proclaimed "rouge admin/op". Those are your words and I try to stay out of it. As for "wanting them flags", that probably could have been said for my first RfA, I don't know. But I spend a majority of my time on Wikia working with you guys against spam, utilizing the rc feed and google, reporting relevant links to spam articles, getting the respective urls blacklisted, etc. This is why I am running for central RfA, I want to utilize those tools (the blacklists) to better assist me with that. I am often online at times when you and Manticore are asleep, and while Grey-man is busy putting in his hours for Danny on entertainment wikis. Because the majority of your online time, for me at least, is while I'm at work through the week. As for GHe, I don't see him online all that often, if it is, it's while I'm working, but his business is his. I am really reluctant to bother him during this to get this kind of thing taken care of, so having access to do it myself would be beneficial to all parties involved. It'd be ideal for me to collect the links, blacklist urls or titles if needed, and then when Manticore can go through the talk page and delete the links like he usually does, usually after I'm already asleep for the night. The point of this is a collaborative effort, not having to rely on people to be around, sometimes involved with their own matters. I don't want to do that, I don't want to be that bother. --Charitwo^Talk 18:07, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose as stated above, some of your actions and your behavior at times is questionable, especially that day when you banned a user just for saying "rar" to you in IRC. Until you show that you can be trusted with administrative capabilities, I don't believe you should be given +sysop. Phil.e. ^{[Talk to me]} 22:14, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

That was a mistake, and I've apologized for it 3 times. It was a bad day at work and a bad day coming home. I had been better off not signing on. --Charitwo^Talk 23:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

• Oppose - re: irc issues. i know wikia!=irc, but people are more true to themselves in irc because it is fleeting, they dont leave such a trail (unlike all the logs/history on wikis). i know you say they "were limited issues" or "resolved later", they shouldnt come up in the first place. personal issues/bias are not qualities i would want someone in any sort of power to have. its nothing personal, you are very helpful, just would want someone a little more level headed in such a role. --Uberfuzzy 23:11, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

They weren't issues, they were misunderstandings, especially with DeFender and Graestan. I'm not the kind of person I've been made out to be. And what personal issues/bias? --Charitwo^Talk 23:24, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

Comments

I cannot speak to a person's ability or lack of ability in editing Central Wikia, which is why I am not commenting in either the support or oppose sections of any central Rfa. In point of fact, I feel hideously out of place commenting on one at all. That having been said, I'm taking a chance that "just some schmoe" is welcome to comment, even though they don't hang out on Central. Charitwo has made a sincere effort to keep me and other people happy. In my case, there have been several times when conversations and text-based actions on the #wikia IRC support channel have forced me to leave the channel. On many occasions, Charitwo made the effort to contact me privately, ask me how I was doing (in some cases if I needed something), and always to inform me when the "unpleasantness" had passed. I appreciate those efforts.--Kodia 06:13, 27 January 2008 (UTC)

• See edit summary to see why I did an undo instead of a strikeout. --Skizzerz ^talk 00:25, 30 January 2008 (UTC)