Next week's meeting time: Sunday October 21th, one hour earlier than this meeting.

The following is the chat transcript for Oct 14th. Timestamps are in California timezone.

[12:34:20] <FellSkyhawk> whouldn't a better questian be who here is an admin and not an admin, then anyone who doesn't  respond you will know its not because they are admin, just sleeping	
[12:34:33] <PanSola> lol	
[12:36:13] <FellSkyhawk> or ask who are admins and from what wikia, get a talley of the wikias represented here	
[12:37:03] <PanSola> but then ppl who are not admins might feel they aren't supposed to be here	
[12:37:26] <FellSkyhawk> then ask who here is not an admin and what wikia	
[12:39:02] <PanSola> oh wlel I'll ask again later	
[12:39:44] <PanSola> FellSkyhawk: does your wiki collaborate much with other wikis dealing with a specific SW game?	
[12:39:56] <PanSola> I know one of them says they are merging	
[12:40:48] <FellSkyhawk> yes, there are actually a few that are merging	
[12:40:57] <FellSkyhawk> just no one is merging it	
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[12:41:51] <FellSkyhawk> I know Kotor wiki is, I believ Galactic Battlegrounds is merging, and Battlefront might also be merging  not sure	
[12:43:08] <PanSola> interesting	
[12:43:24] <PanSola> have none-merging types of collaboration been explored?	
[12:44:03] <PanSola> I'm searching for a successful model of two wikis, one's scope is strictly greater than teh other, and have the  two coexist by collaboration	
[12:44:36] * GHe|BUSY is now known as GHe|NotAvailable	
[12:46:02] <FellSkyhawk> like sister wikias, where they suport each other        none that I know of, though i do know that   Novelas and Quest are like that, ill have to ask Supergeeky1, he whould know for certain	
[12:46:14] * Jack_Phoenix coughs	
[12:46:20] <PanSola> what's up Jack?	
[12:46:27] <Jack_Phoenix> http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Forum:Wikia_is_plural_of_Wikia	
[12:46:37] <Jack_Phoenix> I just had to, sorry. ;)	
[12:46:49] <Zerak|ForgottenR> Forgotten Realms + D&D wikis? :)	
[12:46:52] <PanSola> I still think when used as non-proper noun, it should be lowercased	
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[12:47:18] <PanSola> so it should be "wikia is plural of wikia"	
[12:47:26] <Jack_Phoenix> whatever, as long as not "wikias" - I prefer "Wikia" or just "Wikia wikis" :)	
[12:47:34] <FellSkyhawk> pk	
[12:47:38] <FellSkyhawk> ok*	
[12:47:51] <PanSola> "a Wikia wiki" = "a wikia", in my mind	
[12:48:13] * GPT agrees	
[12:48:33] <PanSola> what I can't decide on, is whether the pural of wiki should be "wikis" or "wiki"	
[12:48:39] <PanSola> I tend to use "wikis"	
[12:48:54] * GPT too	
[12:49:44] <Relentless|Away> Battlefront III?	
[12:49:49] <Relentless|Away> Wait, what about Star Wars?	
[12:50:04] <PanSola> we were talking about wikis collaborating	
[12:50:05] <FellSkyhawk> what	
[12:50:08] <Relentless|Away> I wanted to do some work on BF Wikia but was discouraged.	
[12:50:16] <Relentless|Away> Namely, the lack of users there.	
[12:50:19] <FellSkyhawk> do it on SWGames	
[12:50:47] <PanSola> is the merge still in progress or has it been completed?	
[12:50:53] <FellSkyhawk> http://swgames.wikia.com	
[12:50:58] <FellSkyhawk> still in progress	
[12:51:08] <PanSola> how long ago did it start?	
[12:51:14] <FellSkyhawk> not sure	
[12:51:34] <PanSola> so very long ago?	
[12:51:40] <FellSkyhawk> I know one admin from Battlefront i believe came over and did some work on it	
[12:51:56] <FellSkyhawk> no more like I don't have good memory when i have headach	
[12:52:03] <PanSola> oh, heh	
[12:53:00] <PanSola> hmm do we have anyone from Final Fantasy here?	
[12:53:07] <Relentless|Away> Not me.	
[12:53:33] <FellSkyhawk> any one here have galactic civilizations 2	
[12:54:20] <FellSkyhawk> im not from there, but i have the game and i modded it to be for a story im writing	
[12:54:27] <FellSkyhawk> if anyone whanted to know	
[12:54:36] <FellSkyhawk> :)	
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[12:55:21] <PanSola> hi Zerak and Arkasas	
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[12:55:33] <Zerak|FR> Greets, sorry, just swapping from IE to mIRC :)	
[12:55:37] <PanSola> heh	
[12:56:09] <Arkasas> hi, just remebered a few mins early	
[12:56:35] <PanSola> (-:	
[12:56:42] <PanSola> which wikia are you from?	
[12:56:45] <Zerak|FR> So, who represents what game(s)? :)	
[12:56:52] <Zerak|FR> Argh, beat me to it	
[12:56:54] * GPT is from Halopedia, as is Relentless|Away	
[12:57:18] <Arkasas> im representing Legacy of Wiki-Dragons	
[12:57:23] <Zerak|FR> PanSola's GuildWiki! :)	
[12:57:27] <PanSola> yup	
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[12:58:18] <PanSola> hi Catherine!  Which ''gaming'' wikia are you from? (otherwise you'd say central...)	
[12:58:58] <Zerak|FR> Pfft, if it's Central it's the game of life! :)	
[12:59:13] <PanSola> lol	
[12:59:38] * GPT hugs Catherine	
[13:00:09] <Zerak|FR> How's GuildWiki and that whole Grawevit thing going? Haven't followed it much..	
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[13:00:35] <PanSola> my feeling is most of the strong desenters are gonna ditch GuildWiki and go to the official Guild Wars Wiki	
[13:00:51] <PanSola> Gravewit is being silent most of the time, as usual	
[13:01:06] <Zerak|FR> *nod*	
[13:01:19] <Arkasas> mhm	
[13:01:41] <PanSola> ok, it's officially time	
[13:01:58] <Arkasas> ok	
[13:02:13] <PanSola> so let's go around again, saying which wikia you are from, and whether you are a founder/admin/regular- user	
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[13:02:32] <PanSola> going alphabetically?	
[13:02:43] <Arkasas> that would mean me	
[13:02:55] <Zerak|FR> Oh the humanity!	
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[13:03:17] <PsiSeveredHead> Hello?	
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[13:03:20] <PanSola> hi (-:	
[13:03:32] * GPT hugs PsiSeveredHEad	
[13:03:33] <PanSola> we are just starting with introductions... alphabetically	
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[13:03:37] <PsiSeveredHead> Sorry, first time on IRC.	
[13:03:43] * GPT hugs Greenpickle	
[13:03:51] <Zerak|FR> Welcome to multiplayer-notepad :)	
[13:04:02] <GPT> hi guys!	
[13:04:03] * GHe|NotAvailable is now known as GHe|BUSY	
[13:04:17] <PanSola> actually scratch that, everyone talk at once.  Introduce yourself (which wikia you are from, if you are  founder/admin/regular-contributor)	
[13:04:21] <Arkasas> Hi, im from the Legacy of Wiki-Dragons. I would be a crat, but the founder has no idea how to B-Crat, so  im a regular user.	
[13:04:44] <PanSola> I'm from GuildWiki, I'm an admin there	
[13:04:47] <Greenpickle> I'm a regular contributor to the Pikmin wiki.	
[13:04:51] <GPT> Hi, I'm GPT, a bureaucrat from Halopedia, founder of de.Halopedia and Pfhorpedia, and user at the Gaming  Wikia.	
[13:04:52] <FellSkyhawk> SWGames  Admin	
[13:05:01] <Zerak|FR> Forgotten Realms Wiki, Admin.	
[13:05:01] <PsiSeveredHead> Hi, I'm a bureaucrat at the StarCraft wiki.	
[13:05:40] <GPT> <Relentless|Away> Hi, I'm Relentless, a bureaucrat nowhere near as good as GPT from Halopedia, and  user/admin/crat at countless other wikis, most notably NOT the Gaming Wikia.	
[13:05:45] <GPT> lol	
[13:05:52] <Zerak|FR> lol	
[13:06:04] <Zerak|FR> But gaming is just a hub? :)	
[13:06:10] <GPT> gaming isn't just a hub	
[13:06:15] <PanSola> there is a Gaming.wikia	
[13:06:19] <PanSola> one of the magazines	
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[13:06:30] * GPT hugs Chiafriend12	
[13:06:33] <Chiafriend12> :)	
[13:06:35] <Arkasas> hi	
[13:06:37] <PanSola> hi Chiafriend12 we are doing introductions rightnow	
[13:06:38] <GPT> Chia, introduce yourself.	
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[13:06:55] <Zerak|FR> We need an admin to set topics, eh?	
[13:06:56] <PanSola> which wikia you are from, and if you are founder/admin/reg-user	
[13:07:01] <PanSola> no	
[13:07:07] <Azul81677> FFWiki	
[13:07:09] <PanSola> this channel has a topic ANYONE can edit	
[13:07:14] <PanSola> Final Fantasy? nice	
[13:07:15] <Chiafriend12> I'm Chiafriend12. I'm an admin on RSW, a 'crat on DRSW, and the founder of RSFFW (like that)?	
[13:07:16] <Arkasas> like wikia	
[13:07:20] <Zerak|FR> Ah	
[13:07:28] <Azul81677> Moderator	
[13:07:52] <PanSola> Chia: people here might not be familiar with your acrynyms	
[13:07:59] <Arkasas> i am	
[13:08:02] <Azul81677> Final Fantasy Wiki	
[13:08:04] <PanSola> I know you are from Runscape and related	
[13:08:07] <PanSola> but others here might not	
[13:08:30] <Chiafriend12> RSW= RuneScape Wiki, DRSW = Dark RuneScape Wiki, and RSFFW = RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki :)	
[13:08:37] <GPT> ew!	
[13:08:39] <Zerak|FR> Cheers	
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* Retrieving #wikia-gaming modes...	
[13:09:01] <GPT> hi guys!	
[13:09:08] <Kodia> :)	
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[13:09:11] <Zerak|FR> Welcome :)	
[13:09:15] <Chiafriend12> Hi tes!	
[13:09:15] * GPT hugs Kodia, uberfuzzy, and Tes|Away	
[13:09:20] <uberfuzzy> i almost forgot	
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[13:09:21] * PanSola changes topic to 'Introduce yourself! (Which wikia you are from, whether you are founder/admin/user)'	
[13:09:37] * GPT hugs CR|Halo3	
[13:09:39] <Tes|Away> Hi Chia	
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[13:09:45] * GPT hugs Skill	
[13:09:47] <PanSola> yay more ppl	
[13:09:52] <GPT> TONS more people, kewl!	
[13:09:57] <Skill> forgot about this ^^	
[13:09:57] <Kodia> Kodia Tomekeeper here, senior admin of EQ2i. Our founder is no longer active.	
[13:10:11] <JoePlay> I'm part of the Wikia Gaming Team (at least that's what Angie calls us hehe) with PanSola. I've worked on the  Mass Effect wiki, Assassin's Creed wiki, and Pirates of the Burning Sea wiki, plus I'm the (un)official Wikia logo maker  so if your  wiki needs a logo for the new quartz skin, I'm your man	
[13:10:15] <Azul81677> So what is this for?	
[13:10:20] <Tes|Away> Me, Chia, and Skill are from the RuneScape Wiki	
[13:10:29] <Chiafriend12> :)	
[13:10:34] <Arkasas> and im a user there	
[13:10:41] <GPT> Azul, this is just a nice place for Wikia Gamers to talk, and we're just having a "meeting" right now--basically a  scheduled time for the number of people in here to skyrocket.	
[13:10:46] <GPT> =D	
[13:10:54] <uberfuzzy> i'm me, from eq2i (eq2.wikia.com), admin (techy/template stuff)	
[13:10:57] <Azul81677> Oh ok	
[13:11:20] <Chiafriend12> I'm also from the Call of Duty Wiki :)	
[13:11:26] <PanSola> also discussing if there are ways/things we can help each other out	
[13:11:38] <Arkasas> well, i have a question	
[13:11:40] <FellSkyhawk> SWGames  Admin        for those who just came in	
[13:11:46] <FellSkyhawk> :)	
[13:11:50] <GPT> Arkasas: ask! =D	
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[13:11:52] <Arkasas> how do you b-crat someone?	
[13:11:58] <GPT> Special:Makesysop	
[13:12:05] * Chiafriend12 will brb. Gonna' listen to Gigi D'Agostino	
[13:12:06] <GPT> click the "give burueacrat flag"	
[13:12:54] * Kodia mumbles something about ultimate power and ultimate responsibility	
[13:13:00] <Tes|Away> lol	
[13:13:14] <Tes|Away> I have a beta forum question	
[13:13:15] <Zerak|FR> Ultimate power corrupts... but we need the electricity..	
[13:13:24] * CR|Halo3 is now known as ChurchReborn	
[13:13:35] <GPT> lol	
[13:13:44] <Tes|Away> How do you make "Stickys"?	
[13:13:48] <PanSola> ChurchReborn: have you introduced yourself yet? (I'm guessing you are from Halopedia...)	
[13:13:56] <GPT> Tes|Away: "Stickys"? whuzzat?	
[13:13:56] <ChurchReborn> Yes.	
[13:14:02] <PanSola> Sticky = a thread that stays on top	
[13:14:06] <PanSola> no matter how old it is	
[13:14:14] <Chiafriend12> aaahh..I	
[13:14:14] <GPT> oh, a Sticky Thread. wasn't sure what you meant	
[13:14:20] <Chiafriend12> I've also wondered that.	
[13:14:24] <PanSola> ChurchReborn: founder/admin/user?	
[13:14:37] <GPT> if you have that power, click "new topic," and under the box to type crap there should be a check box that says  "sticky" or something like that.	
[13:14:39] <ChurchReborn> User.	
[13:14:58] <Skill> which power is that on the beta forums, though	
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[13:15:15] <Chiafriend12> Hi fw!	
[13:15:15] <Arkasas> nother question	
[13:15:19] <GPT> I think you need to be either a moderator or a ForumAdmin for that.	
[13:15:20] <Zerak|FR> Hey Focke :)	
[13:15:25] <fw190a8> hi all... i'm from Forgotten Realms wiki	
[13:15:27] <PanSola> hi fw190a8!	
[13:15:29] <GPT> hi!	
[13:15:48] <Arkasas> how long does it take for a monobook logo?	
[13:15:48] <PanSola> and are you a regular user, admin, or founder?	
[13:16:13] <GPT> Arkasas: might need to reset your cache.	
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[13:16:22] <Arkasas> i mean we need one	
[13:16:24] * GPT hugs Blemo and Hecko and James-001	
[13:16:29] <JoePlay> which wiki ark?	
[13:16:33] <Azul81677> Hi Hecko	
[13:16:33] <PanSola> hi Hecko, Blemo, and James-001.  Introduce yourselves! (see topic)	
[13:16:36] <Chiafriend12> Lotsa' ppl joining.	
[13:16:42] <Zerak|FR> fw190a8's an admin too	
[13:16:49] <fw190a8> i'm an admin, sorry for the delay	
[13:16:54] <Zerak|FR> :P	
[13:17:00] <Arkasas> Legacy of Wiki-Dragons	
[13:17:07] * Blemo is now known as Blemo|afk	
[13:17:07] <James-001> ummm...hi, I'm James-001...on halopedia...and Spartan-James on wikipedia...	
[13:17:09] <JoePlay> link me?	
[13:17:12] <Blemo|afk> I'm in sorta a rush...	
[13:17:28] <Hecko> Hello all of you that I know... and don't know...	
[13:17:34] <James-001> yeah...i'm an admin...but my wiki that was handed to me is dead and I have no time 	
[13:17:35] <Blemo|afk> I'm Blemo on Halopedia, and Blemo on Wikipedia.	
[13:17:49] <PanSola> James-001: which wiki is that?	
[13:17:50] <Azul81677> Hecko X right?	
[13:17:57] <James-001> rainbow six	
[13:18:05] <James-001> ...i think	
[13:18:07] <Tes|Away> Forgot to mention, me and Chia are admins aswell	
[13:18:11] <FellSkyhawk> i gota go, hopefully SG1 comes on to represent SWGames	
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[13:18:23] <GPT> lol, so many Halopedians	
[13:18:27] <PanSola> hi G-23|Away	
[13:18:28] <Tes|Away> lol	
[13:18:32] <Tes|Away> hi	
[13:18:32] <Chiafriend12> "ogm", 4 messages on wikai	
[13:18:37] <PanSola> wanna introduce yourself?	
[13:18:42] * Chiafriend12 Chiafriend|wikia	
[13:19:01] * James-001 thinks GPT is just inviting all the people in #halopedia	
[13:19:01] * G-23|Away is Spartan G-23 from Ghost Recon, halopedia, and Halo-Fanon	
[13:19:13] <GPT> James-001: I am.	
[13:19:21] <G-23|Away> lolz	
[13:19:28] <JoePlay> Ark - this is the wiki you're talking about yes? http://legacyofdragons.wikia.com/	
[13:19:33] <Zerak|FR> Zerg rush! :)	
[13:20:11] <G-23|Away> Zerg rush?	
[13:20:18] <Azul81677> Huh?	
[13:20:22] <Kodia> gaming term in MMORPGs	
[13:20:25] <Arkasas> yep	
[13:20:27] <Zerak|FR> All the halo people :p	
[13:20:27] <PsiSeveredHead> I t hink I missed something there.	
[13:20:33] <Azul81677> which means?	
[13:20:42] <fw190a8> is there an agenda to this meeting, or can i simply ask things up front?	
[13:20:43] <Kodia> everyone rushing to kill the monster at once	
[13:20:44] <Zerak|FR> swarming numbers, in effect	
[13:20:47] <JoePlay> ok cool.. i'll get a monobook and quartz logo uploaded for ya today	
[13:20:50] * James-001 feels like he's in an AA meeting	
[13:20:52] <PanSola> it's a strategy to numerically overwhelm the opponents	
[13:20:57] <Arkasas> thanks	
[13:20:59] <G-23|Away> RTS are fuuun	
[13:21:09] <PanSola> fw190a8: you can ask up front	
[13:21:13] * Tes|Away nods	
[13:21:14] <PsiSeveredHead> Which are the really small wikis?	
[13:21:15] <fw190a8> thank you	
[13:21:16] <PanSola> there is an agenda though, kinda	
[13:21:19] <Arkasas> now why is my text bar messed uo?	
[13:21:24] <PanSola> there are TONS of really small wikis	
[13:21:29] <Arkasas> like mine	
[13:21:34] <Azul81677> Like the Real World Wiki	
[13:21:42] <G-23|Away> Ow	
[13:21:44] * Parts: Hecko 	
[13:21:52] <G-23|Away> the spinning chair hit me in the head	
[13:22:05] * Skill is now known as Skill|Brb	
[13:22:15] <Zerak|FR> o_O	
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[13:22:20] <Greenpickle> ...	
[13:22:23] <G-23|Away> heya 077	
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[13:22:29] <SPARTAN-077> greetings	
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[13:22:33] <Azul81677> Hecko is an Admin from the FFWiki	
[13:22:35] <SPARTAN-077> greetings	
[13:22:39] <ChurchReborn> Hey 077.	
[13:22:41] <PanSola> hi SPARTAN-077, MAM|NOT_afk, and angeliqueshelton	
[13:22:44] <MAM|NOT_afk> That's a lot of people.	
[13:22:49] <G-23|Away> MAM!	
[13:22:53] <SPARTAN-077> greetings Church	
[13:22:53] * MAM|NOT_afk is now known as Mouse_among-me	
[13:22:57] <JoePlay> hey Angie	
[13:22:58] <SPARTAN-077> 'and everyone else	
[13:22:59] <G-23|Away> lolz	
[13:23:00] <PanSola> is Hacko coming back?	
[13:23:01] * Mouse_among-me is now known as Mouse_among_men	
[13:23:02] <angeliqueshelton> wow, great to see so many people here!	
[13:23:05] <G-23|Away> Mouse among me	
[13:23:06] <Azul81677> Hecko	
[13:23:09] <ChurchReborn> xD	
[13:23:10] <PanSola> oops	
[13:23:20] <angeliqueshelton> nice work getting the word out PanSola	
[13:23:20] <Azul81677> I dunno	
[13:23:23] <Arkasas> well, we have been sitting here for 23 mins	
[13:23:23] <SPARTAN-077> Is there a reason for all these people, or is this usual?	
[13:23:35] <Arkasas> we are having a meeting	
[13:23:35] <GPT> this is unusual	
[13:23:36] <James-001> PanSola: question...what is the point of this channel?	
[13:23:37] <JoePlay> this is not usual hehe	
[13:23:46] <JoePlay> its a meeting	
[13:23:50] <G-23|Away> Yes	
[13:24:02] <G-23|Away> what is the purpose of the meaning of this massive channel convo?	
[13:24:11] <G-23|Away> Err...	
[13:24:14] * PanSola changes topic to 'What issues does your wikia face?'	
[13:24:15] <Mouse_among_men> Dunno	
[13:24:16] <GPT> PanSola: explain to G-23, please	
[13:24:18] <G-23|Away> scratch out the world meaning	
[13:24:20] <PsiSeveredHead> I thought it was because we all had issues in common.	
[13:24:20] <Azul81677> Someone was saying on the wiki about a shoutbox can anyone tell me what that is?	
[13:24:22] <James-001> oh	
[13:24:25] <Azul81677> My Wiki	
[13:24:27] <Arkasas> well, its a meeting for old wikians to help new ones	
[13:24:35] <SPARTAN-077> our wikia faces....not alot of stuff	
[13:24:37] <G-23|Away> We do?	
[13:24:42] <Chiafriend12> RuneScape Wiki faces constant issues of people claiming "that we've reached rock bottom" :/.	
[13:24:42] <G-23|Away> ok	
[13:24:45] <Greenpickle> The Pikmin wiki no longer has any active sysops/bureacrats.	
[13:24:50] <angeliqueshelton> Hey guys this is angies, I work for Wikia sort of look out for gaming communities	
[13:24:55] <GPT> O_O	
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[13:24:57] * Chiafriend12 is now known as Chiafriend|wikia	
[13:24:58] <Tes|Away> Hi. ^^	
[13:24:59] <Arkasas> and more shadowdancer incidents	
[13:25:00] <Chiafriend|wikia> forgot to nick lol.	
[13:25:01] * GPT hugs angeliqueshelton repeatedly	
[13:25:01] <PanSola> hi Speckle	
[13:25:04] <SPARTAN-077> greetings	
[13:25:05] <Chiafriend|wikia> SPECKLEDORPH!!!	
[13:25:05] <JoePlay> haha	
[13:25:08] * Zerak|FR waves	
[13:25:09] <Chiafriend|wikia> =D	
[13:25:12] * PanSola changes topic to 'Agenda item 1: What issues does your wikia face?'	
[13:25:12] <Mouse_among_men> Speckle:Yo	
[13:25:15] <PsiSeveredHead> Rock bottom?	
[13:25:20] <G-23|Away> I guess so	
[13:25:21] <angeliqueshelton> PanSola and Kirkburn had a great idea to set up this IRC channel for all the gaming wikian to get to  know eachother	
[13:25:28] <SPARTAN-077> argh, too many convos at one time!	
[13:25:29] <Azul81677> Vandals	
[13:25:30] <G-23|Away> RS was supah popular a year or so ago	
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[13:25:33] <angeliqueshelton> share best wiki practices, help out new wikis, etc, etc	
[13:25:34] <PanSola> hi Tarikochi	
[13:25:35] <SPARTAN-077> greetings	
[13:25:36] <PsiSeveredHead> For the StarCraft wiki, it's really small and has few contributors.	
[13:25:42] <Kirkburn> omg, sometimes I should set alarms for myself :P	
[13:25:43] <Tarikochi> hi	
[13:25:45] <G-23|Away> Same with Ghost Recon	
[13:25:45] <Kirkburn> Hello all!	
[13:25:52] <Arkasas> we are small, new, and i need more people	
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[13:25:56] <Tes|Away> Hi	
[13:25:57] <G-23|Away> RR!	
[13:26:00] <GPT> a *lot* of gaming wikis need help, actually, lol	
[13:26:03] <Speckle> Hi RR. =]	
[13:26:04] <SPARTAN-077> greetings	
[13:26:07] <G-23|Away> yes	
[13:26:11] <G-23|Away> I saw rachet wiki	
[13:26:15] <G-23|Away> It was horrible	
[13:26:19] <Arkasas> meaningly, i need to give away beta testing spots	
[13:26:26] <G-23|Away> some of the articles had no more than 5 words	
[13:26:28] <JoePlay> Psi - I recognize that name.. you used to post at guild-hall.net a long time ago.. I'm MeatMan :)	
[13:26:31] <PanSola> for the wikis that are small: Do your average fellow players of your game know of the existence of gteh wiki?	
[13:26:41] <Mouse_among_men> gteh?	
[13:26:45] <PanSola> ie, is it a problem of they know but don't use the wiki, or is it a problem of not knowing the wiki exists	
[13:26:46] <Zerak|FR> the*	
[13:26:54] <Arkasas> because its only about 3 people playing, probably	
[13:26:57] <SPARTAN-077> MAM: do not challenge the word og Pan!	
[13:26:59] <SPARTAN-077> *of	
[13:27:02] <PsiSeveredHead> No, I think not. The only people who know about the StarCraft wiki are on messageboards.	
[13:27:07] <G-23|Away> It is not knowing the existance of the wiki	
[13:27:13] <James-001> ?	
[13:27:14] <Arkasas> oh and another of our devs cannot register	
[13:27:24] <PanSola> Psi: please don't say "no" to a question containing "or"	
[13:27:31] <PsiSeveredHead> Oh, sorry.	
[13:27:35] <PanSola> d-:	
[13:27:42] <Arkasas> can i have an explanation for that>	
[13:27:50] <Arkasas> it was email related	
[13:28:04] <PanSola> ark: no confirmation or link in ocnfirmation email not working?	
[13:28:13] <Arkasas> hmm	
[13:28:22] <Arkasas> it was simply rejected	
[13:28:28] <Arkasas> no confirmation	
[13:28:35] <Azul81677> Arkasas what wiki r u from?	
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[13:28:46] <Arkasas> Legacy of Wiki-Dragons	
[13:28:49] <Tes|Away> Hi	
[13:28:50] <PanSola> Arkasas: maybe some spam blocker blocked it?  ask the developer to try a different address	
[13:28:53] <ChurchReborn> Hi.	
[13:28:53] <Pinky> !huggle GPT	
[13:28:57] <SPARTAN-077> greetings	
[13:28:58] <PanSola> hi Pinky	
[13:29:02] <Mouse_among_men> Hey guys, can anyone get on XBOX Live?	
[13:29:05] <Azul81677> And what is the main thing that you guys cover?	
[13:29:06] <Arkasas> ok	
[13:29:07] <Pinky> hihi	
[13:29:23] <Azul81677> Dragons?	
[13:29:24] <SPARTAN-077> MAM: and if we have none?	
[13:29:30] <Arkasas> no	
[13:29:37] <Arkasas> our game, Legacy of Dragons	
[13:29:39] <angeliqueshelton> OK, so its going to be hard to have a good conversation with this many people so let's simplfy goals  for today	
[13:29:40] <Mouse_among_men> 077:If we have none? What does that mean?	
[13:29:41] <PanSola> For wikis whose problem is not many people know of hte existence, maybe you guys can set up some  community outreach effort?	
[13:29:43] <angeliqueshelton> 2 goals	
[13:29:48] <SPARTAN-077> no xbl	
[13:29:54] <Azul81677> That is a game?	
[13:29:55] <angeliqueshelton> get answers to 2 questions: 1) do people like the idea of helping/getting to know other Game wiki  folks	
[13:29:58] <G-23|Away> meh	
[13:30:08] <G-23|Away> Yeah	
[13:30:08] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: I could help, if you tell me how.	
[13:30:10] <Mouse_among_men> 077:Oh.	
[13:30:25] * James-001 is now known as James-001|busy	
[13:30:28] <Arkasas> correct	
[13:30:29] <angeliqueshelton> 2) should we set up regular IRC chats for game wiki admins to talk to Wikia folks like me? to get  help promoting your wiki, complain about stuff, etc 	
[13:30:37] <GPT> 1. I like the idea of helping/getting to konw other Gaming wiki foke. So many of Wikia's gaming wikis are just  completely isolated/inactive that they need HELP!	
[13:30:39] <G-23|Away> ok	
[13:30:40] <PsiSeveredHead> 1) Yes. There's always someone who had the same problem and solved it.	
[13:30:45] <Arkasas> virtually not known about	
[13:30:47] <Azul81677> oh like a RPG like dungeons and dragons?	
[13:30:57] <Tes|Away> Question: There's a "Age of Mythology wiki" and a AOM Wiki on Scratchpad, can they be merged?	
[13:31:00] <angeliqueshelton> 3) Is IRC better than Skype or Forum	
[13:31:00] <Greenpickle> I agree with GPT on that.	
[13:31:05] <Arkasas> MMORPG, with the engine Total Eclipse	
[13:31:13] <G-23|Away> yes	
[13:31:29] <Azul81677> You are familiar with Final Fantasy XI?	
[13:31:29] <angeliqueshelton> Tes- Yes, can you please leave me a talk page message so I don't forget User:Angies on central	
[13:31:30] <Arkasas> actually, theres a big Age of Empires wiki	
[13:31:36] <PanSola> Mouse_among_men: well, first get lots of people on yoru wiki to join the effort	
[13:31:37] <GPT> 2. I like the idea of game wiki admins talking to Wikia folk. dunno about complaining about stuff, as there's so  much frivolous complaining to be done (that can be done in here), but I think Wikia folks should really connect with seperate wikia  folks.	
[13:31:50] <PanSola> then on forums you guys frequent, link to the wiki	
[13:31:54] <G-23|Away> <aybe	
[13:31:54] <Mouse_among_men> I can't help on most of the gaming wikis, except with editing help.	
[13:31:57] <G-23|Away> *Maybe	
[13:32:13] <PanSola> when answer questions on the forums, refer them to the wiki (assuming the answer to the question asked by  other users exists on the wik)	
[13:32:35] <PanSola> so that people find the wiki actually meeting their needs, so they have an incentive to further improve it  collaboratively	
[13:32:38] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: Kay.	
[13:32:41] <Zerak|FR> Or create an article on the wiki, and _then_ refer to it :o)	
[13:32:56] <GPT> 3. IRC gets a little hectic when you have this many people... but when you've got people as civilized as this,  conversations can run smoothly. Skype is REALLY hard with this many people, but forums could work *pretty well* too.	
[13:33:10] <angeliqueshelton> thanks GPT	
[13:33:13] <G-23|Away> I agree wit GPT	
[13:33:15] <angeliqueshelton> anyone have a preference? 	
[13:33:15] <GPT> \o/	
[13:33:16] <G-23|Away> *with	
[13:33:20] <Mouse_among_men> Skype? What's that?	
[13:33:23] * Parts: SPARTAN-077 	("I resign my post!")
[13:33:24] <Zerak|FR> Skype would be a trainwreck with this many..	
[13:33:26] * Skill|Brb is now known as Skill	
[13:33:28] <G-23|Away> Macs cannot have it	
[13:33:30] <Kodia> I'm unlikely to use Skype or forums.	
[13:33:31] <Mouse_among_men> angeliqueshelton: Preference of what?	
[13:33:32] <PanSola> skype requires installation and account, both can discourage people	
[13:33:36] <Greenpickle> I think I prefer forums.  It's slower, but less confusing.	
[13:33:36] <GPT> G-23|Away: Macs cannot have what?	
[13:33:37] <Zerak|FR> Skype = VoIP	
[13:33:37] <G-23|Away> so that means forums or IRC	
[13:33:42] <G-23|Away> Skype	
[13:33:44] <G-23|Away> I tired	
[13:33:45] <GPT> ...	
[13:33:46] <GPT> yes, they can.	
[13:33:51] <G-23|Away> They can?	
[13:33:56] <GPT> I have a Mac, and I used Skype to make the Halopedia Podcast.	
[13:33:59] <Mouse_among_men> My opinion is, go for IRC.	
[13:34:05] <G-23|Away> I tried and it wouldn't let me	
[13:34:08] <G-23|Away> ok	
[13:34:16] <angeliqueshelton> Ok let's stick to IRC for a bit, if there is high demand we can try a forum too	
[13:34:26] <G-23|Away> But were is the forum?	
[13:34:33] <G-23|Away> or would be	
[13:34:35] <angeliqueshelton> I like IRC b/c it encourages real-time conv and help	
[13:34:36] <PanSola> we can set up an entire sub-forum on Central	
[13:34:40] <G-23|Away> ok	
[13:34:44] <G-23|Away> sounds good	
[13:34:44] <Mouse_among_men> angeliqueshelton: Same with me.	
[13:34:49] <PanSola> we can do both	
[13:34:57] <GPT> anyway, Skype is good for personal conversations. I prefer IRC 'cause I use it 25 hours a day, but I think it  would be good to have a gaming.wikia forum as well--not everyone is on at the same time unless something is scheduled, so you  might be able to get more help, although it would take longer, that way.	
[13:35:23] <Mouse_among_men> If they're more important issues, I'd use a forum, since it's easier to archive the problem.	
[13:36:00] <Greenpickle> Yeah, messages get missed with instant messaging.	
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[13:36:07] <angeliqueshelton> ok, I will see about setting up a sub-forum on central just for gaming folks.. 	
[13:36:14] <angeliqueshelton> so there are also a few things you guys may not know that I wanted to share about Wikia Gaming	
[13:36:18] <Zerak|FR> And in IRC you end up spamming the entired channel (possibly full of people) with a problem that one  person is helping with..	
[13:36:35] <PanSola> Zerak|FR: I actually find that helpful	
[13:36:38] <angeliqueshelton> we now have over 400 Gaming wikis on Wikia. 	
[13:36:41] <PanSola> people might learn about stuff they didn't know	
[13:37:09] <angeliqueshelton> those wikis have over 1700 active editors (+5 edits) in one month!	
[13:37:11] <James-001|busy> g2g	
[13:37:12] <Zerak|FR> Well, if too much chatter is going on at once, about a great number of topics, it gets confusing fast	
[13:37:14] <James-001|busy> laters	
[13:37:16] * Parts: James-001|busy 	("Parting is such sweet sorrow.")
[13:37:33] <PanSola> true, but even on #wikia, chatter doesn't get too much usually	
[13:37:37] <fw190a8> what sort of proportion of wikis on wikia have 'heavy' usage?	
[13:37:37] <angeliqueshelton> and over 7M people visit a Wikia Gaming wiki in the last 30 days	
[13:37:41] <angeliqueshelton> this is HUGE... 	
[13:37:51] <Chiafriend|wikia> 7M ppl? :O	
[13:37:53] <fw190a8> by usage i mean editing	
[13:37:55] <G-23|Away> wow	
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[13:38:06] <Greenpickle> 7M uniques?	
[13:38:20] <Zerak|FR> But how many are editors and not viewers?	
[13:38:30] <angeliqueshelton> 1700 active editors	
[13:38:34] <angeliqueshelton> 7 M viewers	
[13:38:40] <G-23|Away> Wow	
[13:38:49] <Jack_Phoenix> whoa, lots of people here :o	
[13:39:01] <angeliqueshelton> fw190a8: I would say ~25% of wikis are considered VERY active. 	
[13:39:06] <Zerak|FR> The 10 biggest wikis swallow perhaps, 1500~ of those users? a guess?	
[13:39:09] <GPT> editors aren't that active, which is the main reason Gaming wikia have any kinds of problems, like what we're  addressing, I think. 1700/7M isn't really that great...	
[13:39:19] <angeliqueshelton> halopedia has 200 active editors last week	
[13:39:33] <G-23|Away> Really	
[13:39:42] <fw190a8> i know on forgotten realms wiki we have great difficulty acquiring editors	
[13:39:44] <G-23|Away> I checked yesterday and it wasn't that high	
[13:39:56] <fw190a8> i'm wondering if anyone has any tried and tested methods they might share?	
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[13:40:04] <Greenpickle> Is that a big increase from before the release of Halo 3?	
[13:40:11] <G-23|Away> No	
[13:40:12] <angeliqueshelton> Wowwiki, ffxiclopedia, Halo, dofus, runescape, guildwiki, finalfantasy and cybernations have the  most active editors I think 	
[13:40:13] <GPT> big, probably, but not huge.	
[13:40:31] <PanSola> fw190a8: publicize your wiki on related internet forums?	
[13:40:37] <G-23|Away> Really? I thought that since a couple of active editors left it went down	
[13:40:46] <angeliqueshelton> yes on Halo, I think there were about 100 before.. the core editor group is prob the same size but  lots of new drive by editors	
[13:40:48] <fw190a8> thanks PanSola, this is something we have tried	
[13:40:51] <Azul81677> FF Wiki started on March 13, 2005, and we currently have 5,195 articles	
[13:40:52] <PanSola> increase yoru raw user base in the hopes that, if the % contributor stay the same then you gain raw number  contributors	
[13:41:02] <Kodia> On EQ2i we try to frequent the Sony Online Entertainment forums for our game and make sure our signature  files contain the URL.	
[13:41:08] <GPT> fw190a8: Forgotten Realms isn't really a very well-known game... I'm sure there are thousands of people who  play it, but of that there aren't many people who want to socialize on a wiki all the time...	
[13:41:20] <angeliqueshelton> yes, eq2i is on the largest editor list too. Sorry Kodia!	
[13:41:27] <Kodia> no problem!	
[13:41:32] <Azul81677> 231,215 registered users	
[13:41:33] <fw190a8> you're quite right GPT, the userbase is much smaller than say world of warcraft or star wars	
[13:41:35] <PanSola> maybe create a focus project for each month	
[13:41:50] <GPT> the best way to get editors is to do what Kodia does with links to it everywhere (not spam, though), and contact  people who might genuinely be interested because they already play the game.	
[13:42:10] <angeliqueshelton>  forums is the BEST way to attact conributors and readers. esp if you are providing useful answers  using content from the wiki (not just spam)	
[13:42:16] <Kodia> in our in-game chatting throughout the game, we also try to answer questions with basic answers and  comments directing them to the wiki for more detailed explanations.	
[13:42:29] <Greenpickle> I've tried that recently and it does work.	
[13:42:38] <Kodia> and with the in-game browser that Sony has now, it's easier than ever.	
[13:42:42] <Kodia> and a third thing....	
[13:42:57] <fw190a8> one of the problems i have encountered is that we provide a specialist article in much greater detail than  wikipedia can provide, but yet any 'further reading' links we add on wikipedia are considered 'spam'	
[13:43:12] <Kodia> the user interface designers have started putting a quick link to our wiki in their user interface designs. That  was unplanned but boosted our numbers a great deal.	
[13:43:19] <fw190a8> yet we cannot add further information on wikipedia because apparently it is too specific	
[13:43:28] <Kodia> so people who do user interface skins have linked to us.	
[13:43:49] <Kodia> get in good with them and you've got yet another avenue if you can convince them of the value of it.	
[13:44:14] <Zerak|FR> Problem being, if you have a handful of users, and they spend their time advertising the wiki, the wiki  doesn't improve in the mean time.	
[13:44:31] <Kodia> small sacrifice	
[13:44:34] <Kodia> imho	
[13:44:36] <angeliqueshelton> when a link to the bioshock wiki got added to the wikipedia article and the traffic to the wiki  increased like 3X.. 	
[13:44:47] <fw190a8> yet that was allowed to survive	
[13:44:47] <G-23|Away> hmm.....	
[13:44:50] <Kirkburn> And I didn't even have to add it :)	
[13:44:51] <Kodia> you have to spend money to make money	
[13:44:52] <PsiSeveredHead> How do the user interface design things work?	
[13:44:57] <fw190a8> it seems hypocritical on wikipedia's part	
[13:45:12] <Kodia> or more accurately, you have to spend time to get editors.	
[13:45:14] <fw190a8> plus the people i dealt with at wikipedia are incredibly rude =\	
[13:45:16] <PanSola> I'm proud to be a NON-wikipedian...	
[13:45:21] <G-23|Away> same here	
[13:45:55] <Kodia> Psi, the user interface thing was actually a by-product of a very popular game skin designer adding a link to  our wiki.	
[13:46:03] <Kirkburn> They allow popular sites to be listed, not just any sites	
[13:46:07] <Kodia> I don't know even one whit about the actual mechanics of it.	
[13:46:25] <PsiSeveredHead> Was the user interface made for wikipedia, or for your wiki?	
[13:46:40] <Kodia> for our game, Everquest 2. Not the wiki at all.	
[13:46:45] <Kodia> It's another way to play the game.	
[13:46:49] <angeliqueshelton> is anyone here working on a wiki less than 3 month old? 	
[13:46:52] <PsiSeveredHead> Oh, I see.	
[13:46:53] <Chiafriend|wikia> Me.	
[13:46:58] <angeliqueshelton> what wiki? 	
[13:46:59] <Chiafriend|wikia> RuneScape Fan Fiction Wiki.	
[13:47:03] <Chiafriend|wikia> Like, 2 weeks	
[13:47:06] <angeliqueshelton> nice! 	
[13:47:09] <Chiafriend|wikia> :)	
[13:47:26] <angeliqueshelton> you should talk to the halo fanon and sw fanon wikis to see if you can copy any of their templates,e  tc	
[13:47:42] <Chiafriend|wikia> I also edit Halo fanono	
[13:47:45] <Chiafriend|wikia> *fanon	
[13:47:49] <JoePlay> (off-topic) Ark - I just left you a message on your talk page at the LoD wiki about making the logo (/off- topic)	
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[13:48:08] <PanSola> hi supergeeky1	
[13:48:18] <G-23|Away> Same	
[13:48:21] <supergeeky1> Hey	
[13:48:31] <G-23|Away> Chiafriend|wikia: I edit both	
[13:48:44] <angeliqueshelton> is anyone else on this chat a founder/admin on a brand new wiki? 	
[13:48:59] <supergeeky1> Uh, somewhat brand new.	
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[13:49:07] <G-23|Away> I am	
[13:49:12] <G-23|Away> It was created late July	
[13:49:13] <GPT> I'm a founder of Pfhorpedia, a two week old wiki about Marathon	
[13:49:15] <supergeeky1> I don't know if you'd call January brand new, but SWGames was.'	
[13:49:36] * Parts: Tarikochi 	
[13:49:53] <angeliqueshelton> what are some of the things that have been hard in starting a wiki from scratch? 	
[13:50:15] <uberfuzzy> not knowing about all the special stuff	
[13:50:18] <angeliqueshelton> I am hoping that 1) Wikia can make it easier to start a wiki and 2) some of the old verterans here  can lend a helping hadn/give some advice	
[13:50:20] <uberfuzzy> like all the Special pages	
[13:50:33] <uberfuzzy> and things like how to change the logo, and favicon and sitename	
[13:50:57] <uberfuzzy> and things like common.css	
[13:50:58] <angeliqueshelton> yeah, I've heard those alot.. so basic too :) we need to make that more clear 	
[13:51:21] <Zerak|FR> indeed	
[13:52:19] <angeliqueshelton> what templates do you guys use most often? 	
[13:52:45] <PsiSeveredHead> Spoiler template and character templates.	
[13:52:46] <uberfuzzy> when you get a new wiki, your basicly handed nothing beyond a fresh mediawiki install	
[13:52:47] * PanSola bets on either {{wikipedia}} or {{stub}}	
[13:52:48] <GPT> Template:Era	
[13:52:54] <GPT> and Template:Stub	
[13:53:06] <uberfuzzy> {{!}}	
[13:53:15] <supergeeky1> {{Talkheader}}	
[13:53:31] <PsiSeveredHead> What is the {{!}} template? Does that let you add optional things to a template?	
[13:53:39] <uberfuzzy> its a cheat	
[13:53:42] <PanSola> it's just the | character	
[13:53:46] <PanSola> for tables inside a template	
[13:53:46] <angeliqueshelton> do you think we should pre-install certain gaming templates into new wikis?  (i.e characters,  infoboxes, etc) 	
[13:53:55] <PsiSeveredHead> Absolutely!	
[13:54:00] <supergeeky1> Sounds great.	
[13:54:02] <fw190a8> i think there should be a range of templates available, definitely	
[13:54:06] <Greenpickle> Yes.	
[13:54:33] <PanSola> character template between GuildWars Wiki (offical) and GuildWiki already differ quite a bit though	
[13:54:34] <uberfuzzy> i dont think preinstalled, but have a common repository somewhere of generic base starter ones that you  can take and adapt as needed	
[13:54:39] <fw190a8> oh, i meant to ask... there are some javascript functions that can toggle the visibility of some elements on  the page - these are on wikipedia but not on wikia - can we have access to these?	
[13:54:43] <PanSola> and that's for the same game	
[13:54:58] <GPT> I think character infoboxes should be present automatically for all Gaming wikia. yeah.	
[13:55:04] <angeliqueshelton> anything else you think should come with a new wiki (stuff that you;ve had to copy from other wiki  or build yourself) 	
[13:55:24] <GPT> Template:Era, *maybe*	
[13:55:25] <Kodia> I don't, GPT. I think that's a differentiator in many cases. 	
[13:55:36] <PanSola> some of the CSS on central...	
[13:55:36] <fw190a8> the stub template, the disambiguation template?	
[13:55:38] <GPT> !bAH	
[13:55:38] <uberfuzzy> things like a delete flag, admin needed flag, and the cats that go with them	
[13:55:46] <angeliqueshelton> fw1900a8, I am sure they are available, but I am not familiar with them.. will ask someone else.. 	
[13:55:53] <fw190a8> thanks angeliqueshelton	
[13:55:54] * Joins: AdmirableAckbar 	
[13:56:00] <uberfuzzy> its a trap!	
[13:56:01] <PanSola> yeah the Delete templage should be there	
[13:56:23] <PanSola> delete, ban, disambig should be on all new wikis, not just gaming	
[13:56:34] <Zerak|FR> merge, move	
[13:56:39] * PanSola nods	
[13:56:41] <supergeeky1> {{USERNAME}} would be good.  It took quite a while for SWGames to learn how to make that.	
[13:56:47] <Jack_Phoenix> err	
[13:56:53] <PanSola> what does {{USERNAME}} do?	
[13:56:55] <Jack_Phoenix> USERNAME is a bad template	
[13:57:12] <Jack_Phoenix> Splarka doesn't like it at all - and as said, it's slow and probably resource-intensive	
[13:57:15] <Jack_Phoenix> so no :)	
[13:57:19] <supergeeky1> :D	
[13:57:22] <Chiafriend|wikia> {{USERNAME}} is wierd :/	
[13:57:24] <fw190a8> could wikia provide a template guru who can take template requests?	
[13:57:37] * Parts: Speckle 	("Bye, all. :D")
[13:57:39] <fw190a8> templates are quite a specialist subject, especially complex ones	
[13:57:39] <Kodia> dear god they'd never get any sleep	
[13:57:42] <PanSola> Splarka kinda is one	
[13:57:42] <fw190a8> hehe	
[13:57:45] <PanSola> I can help out too	
[13:57:54] <fw190a8> oh ok, could you promote that service a bit more? =)	
[13:57:54] <PanSola> I consider myself pretty good with templates	
[13:57:55] <Jack_Phoenix> Splarka knows everything (tm)	
[13:58:02] <PanSola> but you'd need to tell me what you want it to look like	
[13:58:06] <angeliqueshelton> yeah, I thikn you guys collectively are probably much better at templates than anyone in staff will  ever be :) 	
[13:58:06] <PsiSeveredHead> You could use an easier method. On the StarCraft wiki, we just copied the quote wiki from Star  Wars. However, it could use a bit of work.	
[13:58:15] <PanSola> I can't just "make a weapno info box" for you	
[13:58:24] <PanSola> I need to know how you want it to stylistically look like	
[13:58:27] <PanSola> and what fields exist	
[13:58:41] <PanSola> like I said, even for teh same game, GuildWars Wiki and GiuldWiki difffer quite a bit in their infoboxes	
[13:58:50] * Quits: Azul81677 	(Remote closed the connection)
[13:59:03] <angeliqueshelton> we would love to create a "template" repository that everybody could access and use (so you don't  have to go searching or building from scratch)	
[13:59:12] <JoePlay> its all about what details you want in an info box, and exactly how you want it to look	
[13:59:17] <PanSola> a "Template commons"?	
[13:59:18] <PanSola> d-:	
[13:59:25] <uberfuzzy> i just go trolling among the big mmo wiki's an steal what they have	
[13:59:26] <JoePlay> so there really can't be a universal info box to please everyone	
[13:59:54] <JoePlay> but I guess there can be a base template to start with	
[13:59:58] <PsiSeveredHead> I don't think there needs to be a universal info box, just a tutorial to show you how to use things  like ... {{!}}	
[14:00:17] <Greenpickle> A tutorial is a good idea.	
[14:00:18] <angeliqueshelton> nope, but we could have a few infoboxes pre-made and peopel can adapt them how-ever they want..  better to start with something than nothing, right? 	
[14:00:19] <Jack_Phoenix> {{!}} is such a hack...	
[14:00:33] <uberfuzzy> got a better solution jack?	
[14:00:42] <PanSola> <tr> and <td>?	
[14:00:45] <angeliqueshelton> tutorial would be like 5 hours long to learn everything :) 	
[14:00:48] <Jack_Phoenix> probably not - except using parserfunctions :)	
[14:01:12] <Greenpickle> Don't include absolutely everything, then.	
[14:01:19] <Greenpickle> Just the essentials.	
[14:01:30] <PanSola> I don't even think parserfunctions count as essentials	
[14:01:38] <uberfuzzy> break it up, starter stuff and advanced stuff	
[14:01:40] <PanSola> but most templates copied and modified from WP has it...	
[14:01:54] <Jack_Phoenix> and Wikipedia has HTMLTidy, which Wikia doesn't have	
[14:02:16] <PanSola> anything else newly created wikis face?	
[14:02:41] * Parts: Skill 	
[14:02:46] * ChurchReborn is now known as CR|Halo3	
[14:03:02] * PanSola changes topic to 'Agenda item 2: How can gaming wikis help each other gain users?'	
[14:03:15] <PanSola> moving on to agenda item #2...	
[14:03:22] <GPT> link to eachother with the Gaming wiki shoved on many mainpages	
[14:03:35] <PanSola> the footer thing is one of the most basic things	
[14:03:51] <Greenpickle> And in reference sections at the bottom of articles where appropriate.	
[14:03:58] <angeliqueshelton> yeah, that's been good for some wikis	
[14:04:00] <uberfuzzy> now that the spotlight thing is working more correctly thats helping	
[14:04:18] <GPT> if games by the same company have universes that twist together, link to other wikis about it	
[14:04:20] <PanSola> Reference section only work for multiple wikis on the same game/universe though, so that has limitations too	
[14:04:25] <GPT> Halopedia links to Pfhorpedia, and vice versa, a couple times even	
[14:04:26] <angeliqueshelton> yes, if anyone wants to be in spotlight has hasn't been yet, please leave not on my talk page	
[14:04:39] <PanSola> is Halo and Marathon related in anyway?	
[14:04:46] <uberfuzzy> lol	
[14:04:52] * PanSola is totally unfamiliar	
[14:04:55] <GPT> yes, they are *very* related	
[14:04:58] <CR|Halo3> Yes.	
[14:05:05] <angeliqueshelton> bungie made marathon before halo	
[14:05:06] <CR|Halo3> Bungie mande Halo and Marathon.	
[14:05:09] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: No. Bungie has stated they're in different universes.	
[14:05:10] <CR|Halo3> ...	
[14:05:21] <PanSola> is the only thing in common that they ahve the same maker?	
[14:05:21] <Mouse_among_men> They're just similar in some respects.	
[14:05:24] <fw190a8> mmm marathon bars	
[14:05:25] <GPT> not just similar	
[14:05:27] <GPT> related	
[14:05:28] <fw190a8> then they became snickers!	
[14:05:44] <Mouse_among_men> GPT:They're NOT in the same universe.	
[14:05:53] <GPT> I know they aren't.	
[14:05:57] <GPT> I never said they are	
[14:06:08] <angeliqueshelton> do you guys all know about gaming hub? http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Gaming	
[14:06:32] * GPT does	
[14:06:33] <Greenpickle> I do now...	
[14:06:47] <Mouse_among_men> angeli:I didn't. Thanks	
[14:06:54] <angeliqueshelton> we want to use it to highlight different wikis (when expansion packs come out, etc) 	
[14:07:08] <angeliqueshelton> would also love for it to be a place where all you guys check in everyday to see what	
[14:07:15] <angeliqueshelton> going on around Wikia Gaming	
[14:07:25] * Joins: ubrfzy 	
[14:07:27] <angeliqueshelton> but we need your help to write the content and keep it fresh	
[14:07:35] * GPT would love to help	
[14:07:48] <Mouse_among_men> angeli:Makes sense. But for most wikis, I can just help with editing, etc.	
[14:07:56] <Mouse_among_men> No story stuff.	
[14:07:57] <PanSola> I have two ideas, specific ways that the larger gaming wikis may help other wikis gain visitors, perhaps even  reviving dead ones.  The second one is related to the hub.	
[14:08:20] * GPT wants to hear them	
[14:08:40] <PanSola> First one: on your forums section, create a sub-forum dedicated to talking about Other Games	
[14:08:53] <GPT> mm hmm...	
[14:08:54] <PanSola> that doesn't just mean talk about Marathon or other Bungie games on Halopedia	
[14:08:56] <PanSola> but any other games	
[14:08:59] <PanSola> Star Craft	
[14:09:01] <PanSola> Monopoly	
[14:09:03] <PanSola> etc	
[14:09:04] <PanSola> then	
[14:09:20] <Mouse_among_men> Of course.	
[14:09:52] <PanSola> make an effort to remind people "hey we have this many Halo players also playing Monopoly, did any of us  ever think about checking out the Monopoly wiki?"	
[14:10:00] <Mouse_among_men> Speaking of Marathon, GPT made a wiki for it called Phforpedia, and he's needing some help.	
[14:10:01] <PanSola> "Doh, that never occured to me, lol"	
[14:10:09] <PanSola> "Been there, it's very dead"	
[14:10:23] <PanSola> "Well, we have x ppl here, we all know each other, we can all go and start editing it"	
[14:10:29] <GPT> angeliqueshelton: I like that idea. can you give Halopedia a new forum section for talking about ANY other  game?	
[14:10:43] <angeliqueshelton> you don't need me to do that	
[14:10:45] <PanSola> sometimes, if one person goes and see a dead wiki, that might be discouraging	
[14:10:47] <angeliqueshelton> you can do it yerself	
[14:10:53] <GPT> really?	
[14:11:00] <GPT> last time I checked we needed a staffer... I'll look again.	
[14:11:05] <PanSola> but if you already know say 10 people (from your home wiki) interested in teh same game	
[14:11:12] <Mouse_among_men> Is it because he's a Halopedia admin?	
[14:11:23] <angeliqueshelton> ok, let me or Sannse know if you can't figure it out. 	
[14:11:31] <PanSola> then you already have a group, a fellowship, to go to the dead wiki, and bring it to live	
[14:11:42] <PanSola> anyone should be able to add new sub-forum sections	
[14:11:46] <PanSola> unless Forum:Index is protected	
[14:11:53] <angeliqueshelton> yes, wowwiki helped revive starcraft wiki that way 	
[14:11:54] <Tes|Away> I think you need a staff to Create new fourms	
[14:12:02] <Tes|Away> they have the beta forums	
[14:12:11] <angeliqueshelton> they starting linking to it from their mainpage	
[14:12:13] <Mouse_among_men> beta forums?	
[14:12:15] <PanSola> but it does involve some tempalte useage that isn't used on daily basis..	
[14:12:21] <GPT> PanSola: beta forum, not DPL forum.	
[14:12:22] <Mouse_among_men> Prototype forums?	
[14:12:29] <PanSola> oh	
[14:12:30] <Tes|Away> mhm	
[14:12:32] <GPT> yeah, the phpbb/mediawiki merge Wikia is working on.	
[14:12:49] * Tes|Away is now known as Tes|afk	
[14:13:16] <PanSola> angeliqueshelton: well main-page linking usually require SOME connection with the game in question	
[14:13:24] <PanSola> good idea too	
[14:14:26] <Catherine> We have DPL forum setup help here: http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Forum_set_up	
[14:14:29] <PanSola> anyways, so that's my idea 1.  This would especially effective on the larger wikis (WoW, Final Fantasy, Halo  etc)	
[14:14:40] <PanSola> Idea 2: Wikia blog	
[14:14:56] <PanSola> Right now only a very few selected wikis have access to post on teh wikia blog	
[14:14:57] <ubrfzy> theres the LJ one	
[14:15:02] <GPT> angeliqueshelton: I can't figure it out... it doesn't show me the admin control panel or anything. is there  something I'm just missing?	
[14:15:03] <PanSola> the Wikia gaming blog	
[14:15:21] <angeliqueshelton> I bet most people don't know about the blog or how to post to it	
[14:15:28] <PanSola> the Wikia blog has an RSS feed	
[14:15:31] <angeliqueshelton> but its a great way to get your content listed in blog search engines	
[14:15:52] <PanSola> Wikia has an RSS2Wiki extension that allows RSS content to be displayed on wiki pages, such as the hub	
[14:15:52] <Jack_Phoenix> Catherine: a bit offtopic, but http://help.wikia.com/wiki/Image:200px-Storm_HAWKERS.jpg seems to  be uploaded to a wrong wikia - could you please delete it? :)	
[14:16:02] <PanSola> so, my idea is,	
[14:16:07] <Catherine> k	
[14:16:09] <ubrfzy> oh oh oh, can i inject something back into the "starting off" topic from before? make sure people know about  the mailing list stuff	
[14:16:16] <PanSola> we create a page where anyone can write a "blog entry"	
[14:16:39] <PanSola> then admins from any of the wikis with actual access to post to the blog can take that entry and post it 	
[14:16:50] <PanSola> so a service for the "less privilaged" wikis	
[14:17:05] <Mouse_among_men> What uses would a "blog entry" have?	
[14:17:32] <PanSola> the blog entry can be posted to the blog, whcih gets crawled by search engines	
[14:17:40] <Mouse_among_men> Hey, it's slightly off-topic, but do we have a Super Smash Bros. wiki?	
[14:17:45] <PanSola> and I can take the RSS feed of the blog and put it on a separate tab on the hub	
[14:17:48] <G-23|Away> Maybe	
[14:17:58] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: Oh, so it's a way of giving a wiki attention.	
[14:18:12] <PanSola> yeah	
[14:18:19] <PanSola> see: http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Gaming/Design4	
[14:18:21] <PsiSeveredHead> That's a great idea!	
[14:18:22] * Joins: billkauf 	
[14:18:38] <Zerak|FR> <rss> tag is nifty :)	
[14:18:40] <PanSola> I can use the tabview extension to make the blog RSS feed available on the hub as a separate tab element	
[14:18:55] <Mouse_among_men> billkauf: Yo	
[14:19:07] <PanSola> but for that to work, we need admins from the privilaged wikis willing to help out	
[14:19:07] <Kirkburn> Not sure if this has been brought up - but a menu for navigating between all gaming wikis (on all gaming  wikis) - like a drop-down list, or a something searchable	
[14:19:26] <PanSola> Kirkburn: a drop-down list 700 long?	
[14:19:33] <PanSola> or maybe 400?	
[14:19:35] <PanSola> d-:	
[14:19:35] <Kirkburn> Well, I did say searchable :P	
[14:19:45] <PanSola> there's Category:gaming	
[14:19:45] <angeliqueshelton> http://blogs.wikia.com/gaming/ are the real blogs that techorati and google pick up	
[14:19:53] * Parts: CR|Halo3 	
[14:19:57] <Kirkburn> Or some way of doing it per wiki, where they can choose their links	
[14:20:24] <PanSola> angie: my idea is to let the less privilaged wikis also be able to put entries on blogs.wikia.com/gaming	
[14:20:29] <Catherine> Mouse_among_men:  see http://ssb.wikia.com/	
[14:20:53] <angeliqueshelton> less priveleged? what do you mean 	
[14:20:55] <PanSola> then also rss-feed the content of blogs.wikia.com/gaming onto a second tab on the Gamign hub on central	
[14:21:03] <PanSola> "This blog is made up of content from a range of Gaming wikis including Halo, Halo fanon, Cybernations,  Earthen Ring, Cheatbase, Final Fantasy, Gameinfo, Gaming, NetHack, Traveller, and Yu-Gi-Oh!"	
[14:21:14] <angeliqueshelton> I think rss-feed of blog content on hub is great idea.. 	
[14:21:16] <PanSola> only admins on those wikis can post to the blog	
[14:21:22] <Mouse_among_men> Catherine:Thanks	
[14:21:27] <PanSola> so we need admins of those wikis to post for the less privilaged wikis	
[14:21:36] <G-23|Away> yes	
[14:22:01] <PanSola> we have ppl from Halo, Halo Fanon, and Final Fantasy here right?	
[14:22:09] <G-23|Away> yeah	
[14:22:23] <angeliqueshelton> still confused on why admins can't post for themselves? b/c they are busy or they don't have access  	
[14:22:30] <PanSola> angeliqueshelton: they don't have access	
[14:22:35] <PanSola> technical restrictions	
[14:22:40] <Mouse_among_men> Me, GPT,G-23, and JP are from Halopedia.	
[14:22:43] <PanSola> it's a low priority on the tech team's list I believe	
[14:22:50] <G-23|Away> And Halo-Fanon	
[14:22:51] <ubrfzy> both the halo 'verse and the FF 'verse would greatly benfit from cross wiki links	
[14:22:57] <GPT> Mouse, JP isn't from Halopedia	
[14:23:02] <G-23|Away> Yeah	
[14:23:03] <PanSola> the system wasn't scalable the last time I heard (several months ago, assume no update since)	
[14:23:06] <GPT> wait, which JP?	
[14:23:06] <G-23|Away> he is from another wiki	
[14:23:37] <Mouse_among_men> GPT:My bad. Jack Phoenix.	
[14:23:46] <Jack_Phoenix> rar	
[14:23:49] <G-23|Away> He aint from halopedia, or is he>	
[14:23:52] <G-23|Away> *?	
[14:23:53] <angeliqueshelton> ah, ok.. we'll if this is important I happen to have a direct line to the tech's :) 	
[14:24:06] <PanSola> angie: see http://www.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Wikia_Blogs	
[14:24:09] <Mouse_among_men> ubrfzy:Are you and uberfuzzy the same person?	
[14:24:12] <GPT> MAM: Jack_Phoenix isn't from Halopedia.	
[14:24:22] <PanSola> well if admins of more privilaged wikis are willing to help	
[14:24:27] * Quits: uberfuzzy 	(Nick collision from services.)
[14:24:31] <PanSola> then this problem has a usable workaround	
[14:24:36] <Mouse_among_men> GPT:There have been some edits from him on Halopedia.	
[14:24:39] <PanSola> so I'd say let the techs focus on other more important stuff d-:	
[14:24:48] * ubrfzy is now known as uberfuzzy	
[14:24:53] <Jack_Phoenix> you could say I'm from every Wikia <g>	
[14:24:54] <PanSola> and not bug them with this issue that we can hack around q-:	
[14:25:03] <GPT> MAM: yeah, there have, but he isn't really from Halopedia, other than those couple edits.	
[14:25:23] <angeliqueshelton> another idea is to create an RSS feed from featured article templates	
[14:25:36] <PanSola> speaking of which...	
[14:25:41] <angeliqueshelton> that could appear on the hub.. this would mean all wikis adopting a standard FA template though	
[14:25:51] <GPT> wouldn't need to be completely standard	
[14:26:07] <angeliqueshelton> but might be easier than giving people another special page to remember to update.. 	
[14:26:09] <GPT> visual aspects could be changed slightly, while only a bit of the template would need to be standardized,  methinks.	
[14:26:10] <PanSola> as you all know, ever since the new Main Page redesign on central, the "Featured Wikia" system hasn't been  active at all	
[14:26:39] <PanSola> I'm thinking about doing a Feature Wikia for gaming specifically on the hub	
[14:26:54] <PanSola> using the system previously employed by the Wikia-wide Featured Wikia	
[14:27:05] <GPT> I think that's a great idea	
[14:27:16] <Zerak|FR> Ie. stacking the ballot with votes to get featured?	
[14:27:18] <angeliqueshelton> we need to get more traffic to hub as well so this is worth it. right now Home Page still gets 20X  traffic that Gaming hub does	
[14:27:21] <PanSola> yeah	
[14:27:31] <Mouse_among_men> Just for thought, would a little "Featured Wikia" thing work at all?	
[14:27:40] <Zerak|FR> Then the small wikis, who need the attention, will hardly get the spotlight, will they? :)	
[14:27:40] <Mouse_among_men> *Featured Wikia wiki	
[14:27:43] <PanSola> Mouse what do you mean?	
[14:28:00] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: A wiki devoted to voting and managing Featured Wikis	
[14:28:10] <PanSola> there'll be some custom rules: say, wikis in "What's Hot" and "What's Big" cannot be featured	
[14:28:34] <Greenpickle> Sounds good.	
[14:29:03] <Mouse_among_men> Why can't they be featured, exactly?	
[14:29:10] <PanSola> well they already have a blurb on the hub	
[14:29:34] <Mouse_among_men> Oh.	
[14:29:44] <PanSola> so they'd be listed twice on the hub, both times with blurbs	
[14:29:57] <Mouse_among_men> It's just, we only have one page for voting on featured wikis, and it can get confusing.	
[14:30:05] <PanSola> AND they'd most likely win any voting anyways	
[14:30:26] <PanSola> I'm not sure if a separate wiki jsut for voting would work	
[14:30:29] <Mouse_among_men> Look at MetaWiki's system for getting a Wikipedia, Wikinews, etc. in a different language.	
[14:30:46] <PanSola> where may I take a look?	
[14:30:57] * PanSola isnt' a wikipedian/wikimmedian so he has no clue	
[14:31:12] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: Let me find it. It may take a bit.	
[14:31:19] <PanSola> another idea	
[14:31:50] <PanSola> in addition to letting each user have one vote	
[14:31:55] <PanSola> each Gaming wiki ALSO has one vote	
[14:32:01] <PanSola> and they cannot vote for themselves	
[14:32:07] <angeliqueshelton> Again having a featured wiki on Gaming Hub is only valuable if we give people a reason to go to  gaming hub.. I really like this RSS idea..	
[14:32:14] <angeliqueshelton> what about stats? 	
[14:32:23] <PanSola> what about what about stats?	
[14:32:34] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Requests_for_new_languages	
[14:32:38] <angeliqueshelton> like most active wiki today.. wiki with most edits today... etc as a way to get people interested in  visiting gaming hub often	
[14:32:45] <PanSola> so say WoWWiki as a whole has a vote for Featured Wikia	
[14:32:46] <angeliqueshelton> most active user	
[14:32:56] <angeliqueshelton> etc	
[14:33:00] * Parts: supergeeky1 	
[14:33:00] <Mouse_among_men> Good idea.	
[14:33:10] <PanSola> angie: is there a way to automate those stats?	
[14:33:33] <angeliqueshelton> basically I am asking: what would we put on gaming hub to make everyone on this chat visit the page  every day (or at least once a week) 	
[14:33:33] <PanSola> by giving each wiki a vote on features, it brings additional cross-wiki attention to users	
[14:33:49] <PanSola> I visit it when soemone edits it... >_>	
[14:33:51] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: I don't see the point of each wiki getting a vote for the wiki as a whole. Do its users get  their own vote, as well?	
[14:34:00] <PanSola> each user has their own vote	
[14:34:06] <angeliqueshelton> not today- it would have to be manual, but in the future, yes. 	
[14:34:06] <PanSola> each wiki has one additional vote	
[14:34:25] <Mouse_among_men> So, why a vote for each wiki as a whole??	
[14:34:34] <PanSola> to promote the hub	
[14:34:41] * Parts: Greenpickle 	
[14:34:53] <PanSola> and considering how many people vote for the overall Featured Wikia on central	
[14:34:57] <Mouse_among_men> That would be the combined vote of the admins or ALL users of that wiki?	
[14:35:01] <PanSola> votes of a few wikis can help	
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[14:35:10] <PanSola> um	
[14:35:14] <Renmiri> hi	
[14:35:16] <PanSola> hi there	
[14:35:22] <Renmiri> FF Wiki here	
[14:35:31] <Mouse_among_men> Renmiri: Yo	
[14:35:34] <PanSola> Mouse_among_men: all users of that wiki get to decide where the wiki's one single vote goes	
[14:35:43] <PanSola> but individual users also vote individually	
[14:35:57] <PanSola> so you may be a Runescape user, you want to feature the Doom wiki, so you vote for it personally	
[14:36:02] <Mouse_among_men> PanSola: Some wikis have a very large amount of users, though.	
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[14:36:11] <PanSola> you can also advocate Runescape as a whole to add one vote for Doom Wiki	
[14:36:18] <Mouse_among_men> And they might have very differing opinions.	
[14:36:29] <PanSola> well they get to have a mini-voting then d-:	
[14:37:02] * Mouse_among_men is now known as MAM|Dinner	
[14:37:10] <Renmiri> yeah, our wiki has tons of users	
[14:37:24] <Renmiri> but CSM, the wiki admin / bureaucrat decides	
[14:37:48] <angeliqueshelton> can I re-ask what content would make you guys visit gaming hub daily/weekly	
[14:37:51] <Zerak|FR> If the vote is based on # alone, then wont the top 8 or so wikis just win repeatedly? Many of the small ones  (who need the advertising) wont be able to field near enough voters to compete with WoW, GW FF Halo etc..	
[14:38:28] <GPT> angeliqueshelton: I would visit the gaming hub more often for random blurbs about new games, old games that  no one's heard of that people would probably like to hear of, general gaming news, etc.	
[14:38:33] <PanSola> Zerak|FR: the top 8 wikis cannot be featured... and the second top 8 are arelady sufficiently removed from  the top they might not gaurentee victory	
[14:38:41] <PanSola> scroll up	
[14:38:48] <PanSola> nevermind, don't scroll	
[14:38:53] <angeliqueshelton> thanks GPT	
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[14:38:58] <angeliqueshelton> anyone else? 	
[14:38:59] <PanSola> basically, the "What's Hot" and "What's Big" wikis can't be features	
[14:39:17] <Zerak|FR> Ah, well the old Featured Wikia had the above problem	
[14:39:33] <PanSola> I think until automated system is in, a weekly stats might be mroe viable than daily stats	
[14:39:49] <Kodia> personally I'd like to know more about why people started or continue the wikis that are there, small or large.	
[14:40:03] <Kodia> that kind of info might get me to go to the hub	
[14:40:06] <PanSola> Kodia: I play the game, so I continue with the wiki	
[14:40:09] <uberfuzzy> i have an idea for new traffic to smaller/starting wikis	
[14:40:14] <PanSola> unless I misunderstood your question	
[14:40:17] <angeliqueshelton> like a profile story or something on an admin or wiki.. 	
[14:40:19] <angeliqueshelton> I like that	
[14:40:22] <PanSola> oh	
[14:40:23] <PanSola> cool	
[14:40:28] <Kodia> Yes, angelique, that's exactly it	
[14:40:29] <PsiSeveredHead> I am just passionate about StarCraft; I don't really have the skills to do the job though.	
[14:40:40] <Kodia> for the most part i'm not into seeing who the biggest or strongest or popular are	
[14:40:41] <uberfuzzy> ever week we get on the mailing list a list of new gaming wiki's, but they are brand new, so nothing there	
[14:40:48] <Kodia> i'm more interested in the human element	
[14:40:54] <Kodia> or what they think is cool about what they do	
[14:41:02] <angeliqueshelton> right.. list of new wikis is not very useful 	
[14:41:12] <Kodia> but that's just me. YMMV	
[14:41:14] <uberfuzzy> if there a site/area/mailer that about a month after starting, a re-look at new wiki's that have gotten going	
[14:41:34] <angeliqueshelton> we could get peopel to be volunteer reporters	
[14:41:46] <Kodia> takes talent though.	
[14:41:58] <Kodia> <-- 20+ years as a writer	
[14:42:02] <angeliqueshelton> they could write stories about their own or other interesting wikis and submit them to the hub for  publishing.. almost like a realy online publication :) 	
[14:42:23] <PanSola> how many ppl read The Daily Edit btw?	
[14:42:23] <angeliqueshelton> they could be short--even about milstones	
[14:42:32] <Kodia> yep	
[14:42:46] <angeliqueshelton> or featured editors.. we never know why they are featured.. this could be a good way to tell the  network why you are proud of an editor, etc	
[14:43:29] <PanSola> guess I'm the only one who reads The Daily Edit...	
[14:43:36] <Kodia> Which would pull in some very active non-admins who deserve some hearty slaps on the back for their  dedication.	
[14:43:52] <angeliqueshelton> definitely... 	
[14:43:59] <PanSola> should those stories be part of the Blog and get RSS-ed? or as a separate section?	
[14:44:18] <angeliqueshelton> ok so stats, rss feeds of articles, and profile stories so far are the 3 ideas for hub.. anything else? 	
[14:44:33] <PanSola> it's not a feed of articles	
[14:44:44] <angeliqueshelton> PanSola: let's keep brainstorming and work out details later	
[14:44:45] <PanSola> it's a feed of blog entries.  entries need to be written	
[14:44:47] <PanSola> k	
[14:44:52] <angeliqueshelton> yes, that's what I meant	
[14:45:00] <angeliqueshelton> or feed of FA if we can do that	
[14:45:01] <Renmiri> on our wiki we have some "Contests	
[14:45:04] <angeliqueshelton> any other ideas? 	
[14:45:13] <Renmiri> like best FF character	
[14:45:25] <PanSola> I saw the Lamest contest d-:	
[14:45:32] <Renmiri> that too	
[14:45:39] <angeliqueshelton> ah, yes.. this is cool.. can you explain more for other folks	
[14:45:47] <Renmiri> You guys could add a section about ongoing competitions	
[14:46:15] <Renmiri> We havea page where people vote for the best of the Final Fantasy series	
[14:46:25] <Renmiri> and another where people vote for the lamest	
[14:46:32] <Renmiri> all done in good humor	
[14:46:33] * uberfuzzy is now known as uberfuzzy|away	
[14:46:39] <Kodia> At one point, we did something similar, Renmiri. Though it wasn't a voting content, but a way to spur more  edits. We gave people special user tags.	
[14:46:56] <Renmiri> well we can do polls in our wiki	
[14:46:59] <Kodia> Like when we hit major milestones of edits.	
[14:47:04] <Renmiri> but it is more than a poll	
[14:47:05] <Kodia> or new pages.	
[14:47:14] <Renmiri> It's more a debate	
[14:47:31] <Renmiri> with some good natured teasing among the fans	
[14:47:41] <Renmiri> some love Final Fantasy 10	
[14:47:46] <Renmiri> some adore FF 12	
[14:48:03] <Renmiri> some others thing 7 was the best	
[14:48:06] <angeliqueshelton> polls could be a good idea for the hub, no? Poll of the day? 	
[14:48:17] <Renmiri> so the pages get to bee very animated	
[14:48:21] <GPT> I like polls	
[14:48:23] <Renmiri> yeah	
[14:48:28] <angeliqueshelton> are you playing halo 3 OR do you use the X template	
[14:48:36] <angeliqueshelton> some gaming related some wiki related	
[14:48:45] <Renmiri> We also have a fan fiction series we are trying to get offf the ground	
[14:48:54] <Renmiri> inspired on cantebury tales	
[14:48:56] <angeliqueshelton> again, these would all have to be written/submitted by you guys! 	
[14:49:03] <Renmiri> but FF related	
[14:49:18] <Renmiri> well those are ideas for sections on the hub	
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[14:49:39] <Renmiri> ongoing projects like our cantebury tales	
[14:49:48] <Renmiri> or "Poll of the week"	
[14:49:59] <Renmiri> or a section to list the contests	
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[14:50:04] <angeliqueshelton> yes, all great ideas	
[14:50:05] <Renmiri> or challenges	
[14:50:07] <GPT> week > day, regarding polls, IMO	
[14:50:16] <Renmiri> yeah	
[14:50:23] <Mouse_among_men> CR:You're back!	
[14:50:24] <angeliqueshelton> Renmiri, i hope I can count on your to help out  :) 	
[14:50:30] <angeliqueshelton> challenges? 	
[14:50:32] <CR|Halo3> Yes.	
[14:50:33] <angeliqueshelton> explain more	
[14:51:18] <Renmiri> well in any game there are details only the afficionados know	
[14:51:31] <Renmiri> like a trivia challenge	
[14:51:53] <Renmiri> "Who was the ghost at the cemetery on FF10 ?"	
[14:51:55] <Catherine> I believe the Resident Evil wiki had a challenge where the admin offered a prize to the editor who created  the 1000th article -- got about 150 worthwhile articles out of it in about 2 weeks.	
[14:52:10] <GPT> oh, we've had challenges like that on Halopedia. they're fun	
[14:52:15] * Kodia nods to Chatherine	
[14:52:16] <Renmiri> I had a Picture identifying challenge	
[14:52:21] <Kodia> that's what EQ2i did too.	
[14:52:28] <PsiSeveredHead> What was the prize?	
[14:52:30] <Renmiri> Where I put pictures of half a leg or such	
[14:52:34] <Mouse_among_men> Catherine:What was the prize?	
[14:52:34] <Renmiri> points	
[14:52:54] <Renmiri> i.e. Bluewind has 25 answers correct	
[14:53:02] <Catherine> I don't recall...it wasn't anything huge, but it got some friendly competition going.  :)	
[14:53:02] <Renmiri> 25 points	
[14:53:10] <angeliqueshelton> points = ? 	
[14:53:18] <angeliqueshelton> status on wiki ? 	
[14:53:22] <angeliqueshelton> barnstar? 	
[14:53:33] <Renmiri> no meaning other than in the challenge itself	
[14:53:39] <Renmiri> at least on ours	
[14:53:40] <angeliqueshelton> gottcha.. 	
[14:53:51] <Catherine> Talking up approaching milestones can be a good motivator.  :)   	
[14:54:00] <Renmiri> I would take a screenshot of the back of a famous temple	
[14:54:14] <Mouse_among_men> Catherine:It can indeed be.	
[14:54:20] <angeliqueshelton> do you think challenges would work cross-wiki? I.e halo challenges eq21? 	
[14:54:22] <Renmiri> or a very magnified zoom on a detail on an enemy	
[14:54:29] <Renmiri> yes	
[14:54:30] <Catherine> Maybe Wikia can provide some recognition for wikis that reach their 100th, 1000th, 5000th article, etc.	
[14:54:39] <Renmiri> but also people play a lot of games	
[14:54:49] <Kodia> I don't know that our user base would participate, to be honest. A great many of them use the site for a very  different reason than a lot of wikis.	
[14:54:50] <Renmiri> so one user might want to do 3 or 4 challenges	
[14:55:15] <Renmiri> and a place like th hub could list the open challenges and contests	
[14:55:25] <Renmiri> just an idea	
[14:55:34] <angeliqueshelton> i.e if 2 wikis are right around the 500 article mark, we could challenge them both and give the  winning wiki a prize? 	
[14:55:46] <Renmiri> what does your user base likes Kodia ?	
[14:55:49] <angeliqueshelton> I really like it.. 	
[14:56:15] <Kodia> EQ2 users, as best we can tell, come to our wiki through the in-game browser interface to help out with a  sticky quest or to find a monster. Or to learn how to access high level content. They dont' go through wikia and their stays are  short and focused. or, they launch the wiki through another computer and do updates while they're in game.	
[14:56:27] <angeliqueshelton> do people care about prizes (i.e free swag) or more rather on-wiki recognition via barnstars,  userboxes, and points	
[14:56:56] <Renmiri> gotcha	
[14:56:57] <Mouse_among_men> EQ2=gaming wiki?	
[14:56:58] <GPT> probably about on-wiki recognition	
[14:57:07] <Kodia> yes, eq2 is a gaming wiki	
[14:57:16] <Kodia> everquest 2,	
[14:57:25] <GPT> real prizes are fun, but on-wiki stuff gets you more friends, which everyone likes more	
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[14:57:58] <Renmiri> We have a Second Life place now :D	
[14:58:03] <Kodia> as for whether they care about real prizes? I couldn't tell you. i know I wouldn't, but if I had to guess, I don't  know that our user base would see the information.	
[14:58:07] <Mouse_among_men> Oh, dear.	
[14:58:35] <Mouse_among_men> There's a Myspace/Facebook wiki?	
[14:58:36] <Kodia> for our wiki, we'd have to somehow make it more apparent without making a clutter.	
[14:58:51] <Renmiri> nah, it is just something I'm doing, not the entire FF Wiki	
[14:59:16] <Renmiri> But like Kodia says, we can access the wiki from Second Life	
[14:59:42] <angeliqueshelton> PanSola: any other topics? Should we schedule another IRC chat ?	
[15:00:14] <Renmiri> I gotta go	
[15:00:21] <PanSola> hmm	
[15:00:33] <PsiSeveredHead> This chat was so huge... I think we should try a gaming wikia forum next.	
[15:00:38] <angeliqueshelton> Everyone should feel free to stay and chat, but I want to give a big thanks to everyone for showing  up to the first Wikia Gaming chat	
[15:00:39] <PanSola> let's decide the next meeting first	
[15:00:43] <Renmiri> that is a good idea	
[15:00:53] <PanSola> should we meet again next week or in two weeks?	
[15:01:04] <angeliqueshelton> so excited about the great turnout and all the good ideas you all came up with	
[15:01:07] <PanSola> I want to do it one hour earlier to accomodate people on different schedules	
[15:01:11] <fw190a8> thanks for hosting this chat guys	
[15:01:17] <Renmiri> I'll try to drag more people from our wiki here	
[15:01:20] <PanSola> (-:	
[15:01:29] <angeliqueshelton> if you think of any other please feel free to leave me talkpage message 	
[15:01:43] <Renmiri> thanks for the chat	
[15:01:48] <Renmiri> bye all	
[15:01:48] <PanSola> perspectives from people who are not admin on any wikis would be valuable too.  They consiste of the  majority of the users	
[15:01:49] <GPT> PanSola, I think next week is good	
[15:02:00] <PanSola> k	
[15:02:01] <angeliqueshelton> oh, and feel free to hang out here more.. we are talling new wiki founders to come here to make  friends and get help so it woudl be nice to see some familiar names here too! 	
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[15:02:44] <angeliqueshelton> PanSola: Thanks for getting the word out.. nice work! 	
[15:04:15] <PanSola> np	
[15:04:49] <angeliqueshelton> ok, I am signing off! 	
[15:04:53] * Parts: angeliqueshelton 	("Leaving")
[15:05:17] <PanSola> How many people regularly goes to Gaming.wikia?	
[15:05:27] * GPT goes semi-regularly	
[15:05:48] <GPT> gah! angies left!	
[15:05:51] <PanSola> yeah	
[15:06:08] <GPT> I was PMing her, too!	
[15:06:13] <GPT> =(	
[15:06:18] <PanSola> what do you think of the article qualities on Gaming.wikia?	
[15:06:27] <GPT> crappeh	
[15:06:32] <GPT> need tons o' work	
[15:06:36] <PanSola> any gems once in a while?	
[15:06:59] <Jack_Phoenix> 'night	
[15:07:03] <Mouse_among_men> Link to gaming.wikia, please?	
[15:07:04] <PanSola> nite jak	
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[15:07:11] <PanSola> gaming.wikia.com