This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Help:Shared Help article.
wrap the contents of the help within a divEdit
There should be the ability to wrap the contents of the help within a div or something so that we can put stuff like navigation templates and other wiki specific formatting around this templated help. Having a navigation bar under the shared help - for instance - isn't very helpful if it doesn't match the formatting of other pages with navigation bars. — Morder 16:48, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
Maybe something like <mainpage-rightcolumn-start /> but <shared-help-contents /> and if that tag doesn't exist then force it on top. — Morder 16:54, 21 October 2008 (UTC)
- At the moment we're trying to keep it as simple as possible - but that does sound like quite an interesting idea. Kirkburn (talk) 23:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)
Thanks - I'll keep checking. — Morder 20:00, 23 October 2008 (UTC)
- This would also be useful for putting the wiki-specific help first. As alternatives to that article-level solution, the shared content could be collapsible (a user-level solution) or communities could be allowed to tentatively opt out of sharing the content (a wiki-level solution). Additionally, maybe a user preference could be added which could default the shared content to hidden (see second alternative above)? I think I'll find those huge sections that push the real content down annoying. --Jesdisciple (talk) 22:00, 14 November 2008 (UTC)
Would it be possible if the shared help be turned off on the Rome - Total War (Wiki) I've transferred a lot of the Help:Content pages to the site, and feel that the shared help is no longer necessary, some of the shared help mentioned on the list seems irrelevant. Dark Obsidian 19:40, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- The idea of shared help is not to have to carry those pages over with new content and updates being made as needed. Why transfer them if Shared Help allows them to exist independently? --Charitwo (talk) 19:46, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- That I am aware of, but a lot users (including) me will find the "shared help" annoying especially since the site has now got a local page of the same content: I am aware that it may be possible for disabling the shared help since it's not showing on most wiki's and I wouldn't mind asking if it's possible to have it disabled? Dark Obsidian 19:56, 26 November 2008 (UTC)
- But that doesn't make sense? You only just transferred the pages, and I'm not sure why. I can still disable it, but I'm interested as to your reasonings, in case it's something we can help with.
- Help:Shared Help does still allow you to do custom content - it just shows below the shared help. You can also categorize such pages, so it's easier for users to find the "custom" content. Kirkburn (talk) 11:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- The shared help is no longer necessary as the site now has it's local material: which can be updated depending on how large the community gets. Please have the shared help disabled, if there's any page's missing I'll transfer it manually. Dark Obsidian 20:07, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
- That's partially true, but not all true: Each wiki should contain it's own Help materials regardless if the "shared help" being active, wikia should have an option in the MediaWiki namespace so that the shared help could be turned on or off on that particular site, since there isn't an option available to turn it off manually I'm asking here on the Main article if it could be turned off. Dark Obsidian 13:05, 28 November 2008 (UTC)
- Thank you. Dark Obsidian 13:09, 29 November 2008 (UTC)
One of the open issues is: "Shared Help pages appear in Special:Wantedpages if you link to them (unless you create the page on the local wiki as well)." If I got it right from the description, it sounds like for a wiki the shared help page does not really exist, unless you create it also locally. Does this also mean ...
- ... that a local link to a locally not existing shared help page is colored red and not blue?
- ... that a shared help page will not appear in the local Category:Help unless you create the page locally and categorize it on your own?
- ... that a shared help page will not appear in the local Special:AllPages with selection for namespace "Help", unless you create the page locally?
- ... that a shared help page will never appear on any other local special page, like for example Special:UncategorizedPages or Special:AncientPages, unless you create the page locally?
--Justme2 12:09, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- In order:
- The links will still be blue.
- This isn't perfect of course, and is something we'll be working on. We feel it's better than not having any help at all (or old, out of date help) on various wikis, but the easiest way of working around the issues is to use Help:Contents as the main point of entry. Kirkburn (talk) 13:13, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
- Ok, thanks for the answers! --Justme2 11:32, 14 January 2009 (UTC)
Hi to all, i'm a Nonciclopedian Admin (the italian sister of Uncyclopedia). I would to ask if it's possible to switch-off the shared help in our wiki, because they are useless for us and the reasons are simple:
- the italian language :)
- our help pages are "particular", for both arguments and humorous style
Thanks! --Zaza 19:34, 24 January 2009 (UTC)
Hello. I notice that the apprentice wiki is horrifically out of date and that there have been no edits since 7th May 2009.--Launchballer 17:03, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
- As it's up to the readers to update it, why not help out? :) Kirkburn (talk) 15:50, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
- I'm afraid I'm busy elsewhere. I'll pop in whenever I can.--Launchballer 17:14, 19 May 2009 (UTC)
Scrubs Wiki - Deleted edits bar removal? Edit
Hello. I deleted Help:Contents on Scrubs Wiki so users could use Shared Help, but now atop Help:Contents and some other pages there are notifications that the article has been deleted and that it should be un-deleted. Creating a new article makes the Shared Help disappear. http://scrubs.wikia.com/wiki/Help:Contents Please help. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 18:27, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
- Strike that. I just added a nav template and it worked. --Ohmyn0 (talk) 18:28, December 12, 2009 (UTC)
I cannot contribute to these pagesEdit
See Help_talk:Contents#I.27m_unable_to_contribute This is a ridiculously asinine extension.
Studies of wikipedia show the majority of edits are done by newer users. Casual users like myself, who make a couple of helpful and beneficial edits, then leave.
It is mind-boggling the amount of incredibly helpful edits which have been lost because of this draconian extension. Anno1404 02:30, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
- I'm sorry, but this isn't Wikipedia. Rules/policies/mentalities, and any ideas gleamed from studies done there may or may not be applicable at Wikia.
- These pages are displayed on thousands of wikis, and any changes are immediately shown on all of those wikis. Editing the Help: pages on this wiki requires auto-confirmed status (which is 7 days here, not the default 4), and also being 'emailconfirmed'. The Help_talk: namespace has no restrictions, and users are encouraged to leave messages about changes to the pages there first. The SharedHelp system even links to there first. If you have a problem with the restrictions here, please contact Wikia Support via Special:Contact. It is not an issue about the Help:Contents page, or about the contents of Help:SharedHelp, so either of these talk pages is not the place to report/complain about this issue. --Uberfuzzy 17:29, April 25, 2010 (UTC)
- I've got accounts on maybe a dozen mediawiki installations. The first thing I do is set prefs, the second thing I do is fill in my user page. I'm prevented from filling in my user page because "Please note: The Help namespace is semi-protected due to Shared Help. If you would like to suggest changes to an article, and cannot edit, please use the relevant talk page." Surely you can find a way to make an exception for a user's own page, right? Or if it's a quirk of being at help.wikia.com, then a way to mention that in the error. --Eli the Bearded 21:17, April 26, 2010 (UTC)
- The message is a little faulty, since it was changed to alert people to the permission problem of editing help pages. We had/have a problem of users ending up on this wiki from links, and thinking it was their home wiki, and creating elaborate help pages and uploading images, etc. We were at the time discouraging edits of user pages, since this wiki was meant not as a community, but as a place to store the master copy of Help: pages. I'll talk with the rest of the team about removing that restriction. Once again, I need to point out that this is NOT an issue with the Help:SharedHelp page, and should not have been left on this page. You can report issues like this directly to Wikia Support via Special:Contact --Uberfuzzy 18:37, April 27, 2010 (UTC)
Wanted Pages Edit
The only disadvantage to this is that the Help pages on my wiki, when linked to, show up in the Wanted Pages list, along with MediaWiki pages. I can see how these help pages technically don't exist on my wiki, but why do the MediaWiki pages show up there?
- Try editing or "creating" a help page by adding it to category:help and/or a more specific category. Then it's a real page on your wiki. (The MediaWiki pages possibly show as "wanted" if your wiki just uses the default version, but I'm no expert on that. -- Robin Patterson (Talk) 04:43, July 2, 2011 (UTC)