When you stopped posting in that first thread about the search I thought you had realized your attitude isn't helping anybody - least of all yourself. But now that another thread with a similar topic has been opened, you go at it again - in both threads.
That new thread started out quite civil and constructive. If you read my earlier posts you will find that I quote a suggestion of yours and that Daniel from Wikia was open to the idea as such. I fear that your intervention has ended that discussion for good.
You have done enough venting. You need to start asking yourself what your behaviour will accomplish. If you really want to go on a holy crusade you will accomplish only one thing: People will stop reading your posts.
Why should I stop? This has gone far beyond just the alteration (complete removal) of a core system.
We as users build all of the content that wikia profits from, they are completely ignoring the wants and needs of the users because they dont want their precious perfect code to mean nothing!
They wont even provide any relevant data supporting their idea, honest to god tangible proof that there was an issue and that this change resolved the issue!
You should stop because you're making people uncomfortable who would otherwise have sided with you. You should stop because you're starting to taint the entire discussion and it's quite possible that good ideas and relevant bug reports will end up unheard. You should stop because this should not be about you and others should have their say as well. And lastly you should stop because you've made your point abundantly clear to absolutely everybody.
Look, I get that other people arent going to like me . . . but I am not here for other people to like me.
I am here for one reason, to provide solid information to people concerning topics, and I get really passionate' concerning issues that impede the flow of information.
Especially when the reasoning is shallow and not validated!
The issue with this change becomes particularly glaring in regards to a certain fact, people sometimes have a term in their head and really do not know what they are looking for.
I like to use the riddick wiki as an example, almost everything has riddick in the title! If you type in "riddick" into the search engine, it will cause severe confusion, as there is no article on the wiki simply titled "riddick"
because the main character of the series' full name is Richard B. Riddick but the user might not know that, that is exactly the kind of information that a user wouldnt know going into this situation.
The new system is counter-intuitive to old users, and especially to new users! And i suspect that the purpose of the change has nothing to do with their flimsy justification.
I will shut up about it, if the reasoning they presented is validated, or if they come clean concerning their true intentions . . . .
I am not a bad guy, I just dont like political crap, being talked down to, or the flow of information being impeded
everyone has a right to information like this, people deserve to know what an "Apt" is, they dont deserve to have to dig through eighteen pages of text to find out!
There's no need to tell me what you think about the search. We're no longer talking about the search anyway. We're talking about you. We have been all along. None of the people who have criticized what you said, have talked about your opinion about the search either. We're all talking about you. It is as I said in my first post: The only thing you accomplish is that nobody pays attention to your opinion anymore.
I don't dislike you, Ralok, but I no longer care whether you're right or wrong. If you refuse to talk about your behaviour, I don't know how to help you.
here you call people who want to apply a javascript fix to the problem "selfish" - as it somehow weakens your agenda.
here you claim that everything that's not related the the feature you have an issue with is somehow a distraction tactic. I'm glad that you later saw the error of your ways and changed this.
On a related note about how you're behaviour is not constructive here, after being given a definition that clearly displays the difference in sex and gender, you rant from your privileged high horse that your opinion trumps that, and therefore the user is trying to get their "specific quirk" recognised. This is not conduct that we appreciate here at central.
Your comments have been antagonizing, and often rude. You jump to conclusions that are just not there (for example, that Wikia are somehow doing this for pride in their "art"). I'm sorry that you're upset about this change, I symphasise, and if the Wikia skin was the only skin option, I would probably agree even more strongly, but you're going about this the wrong way.
The problem is that your feedback is downing out other feedback that's appearing, because you're using too many comments. Please limit the number of comments you make - and try to keep the language civil, which includes not insulting other users and staff. Thank you.
I changed the second comment you pointed out for a reason you know! if you are going to bash me for something I acknowledge as a f**k up I am not going to even bother talking too you.
and no, I am not getting into the sex and gender crap here because really when you boil it down it is all BS ( I am of course referring to the prejudice and terminology, not anything regarding the people themselves)
I did point out that you changed it for a reason, yes. However - it's one example of many.
And no, it's not "just BS" - it's a legitimate topic, I'm not bringing it up for debate here as I'm not interested in your views on it at all. My point in bringing it up is that your conduct on that thread was still very rude, and not behaviour that will be tolerated here.
Okay. I'll try to make a list of what's wrong with your behaviour:
Most of what you say is redundant. You're not content with making your point once. You make it again. And again. It all moves in circles - pretty much like this conversation. But I think I said that before.
You're consuming a lot of whitespace and sucking a lot of air out of the room, that you're supposed to share with others. Others have opinions, too. Let them speak for a change, please!
You somehow think it's all about you. My "favourite" post of yours was the one where you talked about how Star Wars Galaxies has let you down. And then Mass Effect 3. And now Wikia... as if anything outside of the topic of Wikia search mattered to anybody but yourself.
You are not at all content to express your opinion, you are spreading a negative atmosphere along with it, that infects the entire thread and tarnishes whatever reasonable argument you may have had. And it's not just your own argument that is weakened, you weaken the position of everybody who agrees with you as well. You are sabotaging your own cause.
You provoke potential allies for the sake of making your point and phrase everything in ways that nobody who doesn't completely agree with you, could possibly subscribe to.
You make no attempt to convince those who disagree with you to join your cause or to see things from their point of view. Instead you demand the maximum and burn down bridges as if you weren't alone on your island.
You simply refuse to acknowledge that your behaviour might be the problem by selectively ignoring anything that might clue you in on that.
And allow me to add that I do not at all think you're "Frankenstein's monster". You're passionate. That's good. And you're eloquent. That's also good. Unfortunately you don't use your passion and eloquence in productive ways. That's not so good and that's the reason why RT and I are here. Keep in mind: We wouldn't even be talking to you, if we thought you were an ordinary troll. But you're no troll and you're not Frankenstein's monster.
You are that Duracell bunny that just won't stop drummming.
oh and concerning the matter of "none of this stuff matters to anyone but you" I was using examples to demonstrate how disregarding your your fans can f*k you over.
The idiotic changes in star wars galaxies essentially killed the game, and mass effect 3 was reduced in price from 60 dollars to 20 in many places in under a month.
Games do go down in price a lot, I don't think that was due to the backlash. Mass Effect does bring in a few good points though, the fan backlash to a lackluster ending to a terrific game was stupidly high, and completely blown out of proportion. Hopefully the Wikia community is slightly more mature than Mass Effect fans.
no, it wasn't stupidly high or blown out of proportion. If anything there wasnt a big enough backlash!
the point is you cant just do whatever the hell you want and think everyone will worship the ground you trod on! If you do stupid things, if you treat people like crap, especially people you rely on there are going to be consequences!
I may be a jerk to most of the people I havent met, but I damn well wouldnt insult my boss, or abuse my dog! I need my boss to give me money, I need that dog to bite people who try and steal my stuff!
just . . . hear me out here
if wikia decided to delete every single image cross-wiki, whilst screaming "APPRECIATE THIS!!!!" it wouldnt be well received!
When you peel back all of the political talk, that is what has happened here . . . and it has severely impeded the flow of information on these wikis . . .
maybe I should make a blog about this instead of trying to organize my thoughts randomly in comments I dont know!
Because they have an internal plan to include the search results - from what I've seen, they need more metrics on how people use it in it's current form - I'm not entirely sure of the exact details because frankly - I use the search bar less than once a month, so I havn't really been affected by this.
According to what I have read, it was to make the system more easily accessible to new users. Under the assumption that they might not have wanted that page!
however . . . they failed in any way to provide evidence that this change increased user-number, or that there was ever any complaints about the issue!
you see, now they are saying different reasons that contradict this original assertion!
they reply with "dont worry, we are working on it etc" basically failing to acknowledge people were upset!
More or less demanding that we accept it and live with it, because our opinions dont matter even though users make 99% of the content that makes them money!
I am a firm believer in the controversial idea that human beings have rights! That we shouldnt be manhandled by corporate bodies telling us what we want!
Hey Ralok. Whilst central is a place where staff can gather feedback from users about new products and features - which can include disliking the feature and explaining reasoning - your conduct in these threads and other discussions on the wiki is unacceptable. Feel free to leave feedback, but be more polite when you do so in the future. Thank you.
Only to be talked down to like I am a child! The search system is completely useless right now . . . you know that right?
This change has literally turned the wikis into paperweights, and has made wikis completely unusable to new users!
This isnt feedback, it is informing people that the system is broken . . . you cant fix something, when it by its very nature is broken! They should just change it back, but apparently they take too much pride in their work!
but this is just construction work, this isnt art . . . this isnt something to take pride in . . . .it is just maddening!
Wether coding is a construction work or art isn't a debate I want to get into (an efficient solution to a problem, in either architecture or programming, I would argue - is an art form, but I digress). Your feedback is obnoxious, rude and insulting - no matter if it's content is accurate or not. I haven't seen any evidence of Wikia saying that they are doing this because they take pride in their own solution. This is something that is part of other changes to the search system, and was without a doubt discussed internally before it was released.
For your information, both myself and Rappy are against this change (I can see the reasoning behind it, but think it's a large upset for the status-quo for minimal gain) however we can see the difference between providing polite, constructive feedback - and being rude, which doesn't help anyone.
The architect is the artist, but he isnt the one who builds the building . . . it is the same with this sort of work, whoever has the idea is the one who did wrong . . .
OH I AM RUDE AND OBBNOXIOUS, that doesnt make my feedback wrong though! It doesn't make it dishonest!
Chosing to ignore people because "I dont liek dem" that is what I five year old would do!
I will try to calm down for the love of god, but if this isnt changed back I might leave . . . if another change like this occurs I AM OUT
And all of my wikis are going with me!
I know that we are the product that wikia sells to the advertisers but what they are doing to us would be like a farmer going out and spray-painting his cows eyeballs! It doesnt make any sense, and it ANGERS THE COW
the difference is, this fat cow can get up and leave! WHICH HUNDREDS AND HUNDREDS AND HUDNREDS OF PEOPLE HAVE DONE ON WIKIA ALREADY because of all these pointless changes
Nothing is stopping you from leaving. If this is how you feel and how you choose to discuss how you feel, Wikia probably isn't the place for you after all.
I didnt say he was being offensive, he is doing his job! He is trying to calm down the fiery hearted madman stomping around on the front lawn! And I dont have anything against him for it!
And I didnt say he was being offensive, nothing against him or Rappy! But I do have somethign against the people who impose changes onto everyone that break a well-used and well-liked system!
Nobody is going to say "oh man, the only thing that was keeping me from using wikis on wikia was the fact that the search feature took me to the pages I wanted to go. Now that this feature is gone I will use wikia"
