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Message Wall Now Available in Labs

Dopp January 26, 2012

As many of you know, we’ve been working on Message Wall — a new alternative to User Talk Pages that lets you have a public conversation in a fast, powerful, and organized way. During the early testing phase, you gave us boatloads of feedback that influenced our development process. Today, we’re excited to announce that thanks to you, we’ve made many improvements to Message Wall, and it’s now available in Labs. Your admins can enable it on your wiki whenever they wish!

What’s Different Now?Edit

Admins can enable or disable it. Message Wall is now a Labs product, which admins can turn it on or off via Special:WikiFeatures. “Labs” means that it’s still in beta, and we’re looking forward to improving it as we learn more about how it’s used. It might not be in Labs forever, but we’re not making any decisions about the future of the product from where we stand now.

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You can get notifications for multiple wikis in one place. We’ve expanded the notification dropdown menu so it now displays notifications for ALL of your Message Wall-enabled wikis -- not just the one you’re on. Clicking on a notification for a wiki you’re not already on will open the message in a new window.

You can add a personal greeting to the top of your own wall. This is a bit of a hidden easter egg right now, so I’ll tell you how to find it: Once Message Wall is enabled, go to Message_Wall_Greeting:YOUR-USERNAME and create the page (for example, mine is here). Then add whatever content you’d like, and it will appear at the top of your wall.

You can follow a whole wall. We originally planned for you to only follow the conversations that matter to you, but community members made it clear that you also want the ability to follow someone’s entire wall. Now you can! Just click “Follow” on your toolbar in the same way you always have. If you find yourself getting too many notifications, just unfollow the wall and go back to following specific conversations.

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You can adjust your sort order. If you prefer to read messages newest-to-oldest or oldest-to-newest, just change the sort order from the top of any wall, and we’ll remember your preference. This goes for History pages, too.

Timestamps are smarter. Sometimes it’s helpful to see that a message was posted “10 minutes ago.” Other times, it’s more important to know that someone replied at “9:15, January 26, 2012”. Why compromise when you can have both? Mouse over a timestamp and it will now change from one state to the other.

“View Source” is an option. If you’re the type who likes to go behind the scenes, you can enable “View Source” and it will become a menu option for every message. Just go to the “Under the Hood” tab in your Preferences, and you’ll find this setting under “Advanced Display Options.” Then you’ll be able to see the original code for any message.

Emails, Recent Changes, and Contributions are all much clearer now. We cleaned up our presentation in a lot of areas, and we think you’ll be happy with the results.

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Anyone can remove. Anyone can restore. We completely revamped our tools for content cleanup so they more closely match “the wiki way.” Anyone can now remove a message, and anyone can restore it, but you need to leave a note about why you’re making the change so that others understand. (Admins and wall owners can restore messages in a single click, however, for fast reverts of vandalism.) You can find removed messages in Thread History and Wall History.

Anyone can notify an admin. Admins can delete. When a user removes a message, they also have the option to notify an admin. If they choose this, all admins on the wiki will receive a notification (in their new upper-right corner dropdown menu) that there is an issue with that thread. As soon as one admin checks it out, the notification will clear for the other admins. The admin can then choose to take the extra step of deleting the message, which prevents others from viewing or restoring it. (We recommend you use this option sparingly.)

What else should you know?Edit

There are a few other things we want you to be aware of for this release:

Translations are coming soon. If you’re on a non-English wiki, you can still enable Message Wall, but you’ll be seeing it in English for now. If you want to help with translation, please create an account at TranslateWiki.net, which is where we manage translations for every feature on our site. The messages aren’t ready for translation yet, but they will become available over the next few weeks.

Enabling and Disabling this feature will affect your current conversations. If you enable Message Wall, your User Talk Pages will be archived and linked at the bottom of your messages. All of the content will still be there, but you won’t be able to edit them anymore (although admins can edit if necessary). You can continue conversations by starting them again in Message Wall. If you later decide to disable Message Wall, all of your wall conversations will be hidden from view (but they’ll come back if you enable it again). Please keep this in mind as you toggle the feature.

So let’s get started!Edit

We’ve enabled the feature here on Community Central so you can try it out right now (come say hi to me!). If you decide you like it, an admin can enable it on your wiki through Labs, which they’ll find by visiting Special:WikiFeatures.

Since this is an experimental feature, we’re still collecting input are are interested in your ideas. Leave us a comment below or use the feedback tool in Labs to send us your thoughts.

Happy messaging!

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  • Hi Everyone, thanks for your feedback and comments! If you have further questions about Message Wall, you can leave them on my wall or the support forums here. If you find a bug, please tell us about it at Special:Contact.

  • When I search for something like Message Wall:Dopp in the search bar, it doesn't work.

  • Can "User talk" be left unlocked?

  • I have an idea for notifications, why not make it so that when a person posts on a blog, he gets a notif. when someone else posts on the blog, similar to how it works on talk pages. It would make it a lot more convenient.

    • I believe this would be too much of a strain for the infrastructure.

  • On wikis with the message wall active I've noticed that on normal talk pages that Add topic has had its text changed to Edit. It functions like it use to but it did confuse me for a few seconds as to why I wasn't editing the whole talk page when I clicked it.

  • Back after almost a year of in-activeness. And I'm surprised at the amount of changes done around wikis. Even though this new look of talk pages seems to be more user friendly, I liked the original talk pages more.

  • This feature sucks. I like the original Talk Pages.

  • great, now the interfaz is so much better, thanks!

  • The default message-wall-anon's $1 isn't wrapped in brackets, so it doesn't create a link.

    • You don't want to create a link on a welcome message, believe me.

      Deleting 25 pages that have each 25 anon editors will leave you with 25 'wanted pages'. To fix that you'll have to edit 625 pages.

    • But if you do wrap it in brackets, remember to add a colon so if their first edit is on a category it won't add their wall/the thread to it.

    • Looked at the old default message for anons and it is the same, so it wasn't an oversight as I thought.

  • So, pretending that wikia isn't just going to make this mandatory anyway, can we get all links to a message wall automatically redirect to the talk page if this "feature" isn't turned on? The same should happen for links to the talk page on wikis where the message wall is on.

  • I know that this isn't related to the message wall, but, wouldn't it be a nice idea to lock your own user page preventing other people to change it? Just saying...

  • Someone said that it counts welcome messages as actual edits of the user who supposedly signs it. Why? It should be under the "Wikia" bot.

    ---****--- Roads

  • Why does this lock the User Talk namespace? I use User Talk for notes on things on the equivalent User space page, so this seems to disable my ability to use it in that manner.

    • Make and use personal sandbox. Read more here.

    • Yeah, that's not going to do it, since I use the talk page for the sandbox page for annotations and notes.

    • It hadn't struck me that this caused this. Fuck, it's worse, they're not just locked, they're impossibleto access. (Well, I can't get to them, at least) http://saintsrow.wikia.com/wiki/User:User452/Lists/Weapons has 11 talk messages, but clicking the talk link just redirects to the message wall. that's NOT expected behaviour at all.

    • Following up on the issue named by User here: this is a bug for sub-subpages (talk content for subpages is still visible), and it's been filed to get fixed.

  • Is it somehow possible to make it not take that much space up in the recent wiki activity? Lately the recent changes are full of message wall posts (and especially comments on posts) most of the time.

  • GeSHi syntax highlight currently does not function on walls—no colorization, only the <pre>–esque formatting appears.

    • Hm. It's fixable, but the way that GeSHi hooks into the parser to add the css for highlighting doesn't work with article comments or wall pages. I'll open a ticket for that.

    • Thanks for looking into the issue.

  • Really nice feature! My community is split 50/50 over enabling this, so I'll have to wait to really try it out!

    Here's a question, if you send a user a message, will that conversation appear only on their wall, or on yours as well? It would be handy if the messages appeared on both walls, in my opinion.

  • Would it be possible to consider making all welcome messages hidden from recent changes by default? It has been pretty jarring to see all these welcome messages on the recent changes, especially compared to the old status quo where most wikis marked the welcoming tool as a bot.

  • I don't think it's a good idea to enable it as it may look more annoying than talk pages.

    • It's in Wikia Labs, so individual wikis can make a choice on whether they find the feature annoying or not. :P

  • I like it.

  • I'm very annoyed when random contributors/wikians just get welcome messages it spams the Recent activity that's really just my concern otherwise I like this new feature very comfortable usage and more easier to reply to messages

    • We'll be fixing this. Sorry for the inconvenience in the meantime.

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