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Fall 2009 Update

KyleH December 2, 2009
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Hi everyone! With the Fall season about to wrap-up, it's time for another update!

In October, a record 54,000 editors made a record 1.6 million edits to a record 3.1 million content articles! Do you sense a record breaking theme?! More than 26 million people visited Wikia, making it the 75th most popular website in the United States. Furthermore, Wikianswers skyrocketed from 50,000 questions in the last update to over 400,000 questions today. Wikianswers is now one of the five most-visited sites on Wikia. Have you seen it?

To make sure you know what's going on at Wikia, we created the Wikia Staff Blog and invited staff members from various positions to post updates. More to come, so be sure to check back on a regular basis. While we are working on better ways for you to track blogs and blog comments, you can add the Wikia Staff Blog to your RSS reader using this feed.

Changes this Fall Edit

MyHome
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As you may know, there have been some exciting enhancements recently to both the user interface and the back-end of the site. A few examples:
  • MyHome: In September, we launched MyHome, which provides registered editors with a new way of viewing information on the wikis they frequent. We're very happy with the results! The data shows us that new editors are now 67% more likely to return to Wikia after making their first edits than prior to MyHome's launch. In fact, the total number of edits made by new editors has increased 50% since launch! We have more MyHome enhancements planned, so be on the lookout.
  • Blog Enhancements: In September, we made a number of enhancements to blogs based on your feedback. Blog comments are now added to the same group within Enhanced Recent Changes and you can now watchlist blog articles and be notified of any new comments. Plus, we added a new "Share this article" feature on all pages to make it easy to tell friends about the great stuff you're creating.
  • Lucene Search: In October, we rolled out Lucene Search, which powers Wikipedia's search and provides dramatically better results than the old MediaWiki search engine. With Lucene in place, we've seen a 12% increase in search result quality (determined by whether a user clicks on a search result).
  • Mobile Skin: When we saw that iPhone users were responsible for over 1% of our total pageviews, we scrambled to turn on a new mobile skin to improve the browsing experience for all mobile users. The current version is based on MediaWiki's "Chick" skin, but there are a bunch of tweaks coming.

In the Pipeline … Edit

New Rich Text Editor
KyleHAdded by KyleH
We also have a number of new things we're preparing. Here's a quick preview:
  • Rich Text Editor upgrades: We are working on a major upgrade to Wikia's Rich Text Editor. The new version will load faster and resolve many of the bugs pointed out by Wikia active editors.
  • Cross-Wiki Search: The next improvement for search is to enable searching for articles across all wikis at once. We'll start by adding this functionality to the search on Wikia's homepage (www.wikia.com).
  • Stability Enhancements: A few weeks ago, Wikia had an unplanned outage which affected users on the West coast. As a result, we've accelerated hardware purchase plans and have been conducting failover tests.
  • New Homepage and Central: We've recently kicked off a project to redesign the look and feel of Wikia's homepage and the rest of Central (www.wikia.com). As part of this, you'll see more community focused areas, a better search, and a more helpful Wikia Help. It's all aimed at simplifying wikis for new founders, editors and readers so they can write and read about stuff the love.

Thanks for all of your hard work and the tremendously helpful feedback you've given us over the past few months. There's some neat stuff coming out this winter and we looking forward to showing it to you.

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  • The new wiki editor does not work properly. Here are a list of things for you to improve:

    • The old editor sometimes locked rich text because of HTML comments. This one also does it to complex code.
    • Templates, images, boxes etc: are harder to see.

    I also think you could improve the cross wiki search, because it use to be like you would type something in and it would give you a whole bunch of wikis related to that subject. Now however, you get given a whole bunch of articles on wikis related to that subject. Most of these are on the biggest wiki and you might want to search a smaller wiki that you are trying to improve.

    Just 1 more thing. The old homepage looked a bit better. The rich text editor still allows that, however the new rich text editor often gets a bit confused.

    Gourleyo 12:57, January 6, 2010 (UTC)Gourleyo

  • Glad to hear that Kyle. These blog updates are a good first step, but in the end they're still not really getting people involved. They don't have a lot of information, and therefore people can't really adequately give you valuable feedback on anything other than the premise.

    Because of that, I'm happy to see that you're moving closer to what I suggested.

  • Brandon and Najevi: thanks for the feedback. I agree completely that we should try to involve users more in our development process. We've been slowly moving towards that goal--these updates are the first step, actually giving you some insight in to what is coming--but over the next few months, we will be exploring more ways to give users a voice in the products that we develop. You can expect to hear more about this in the coming months.

  • Yes, per Najevi about the placation. Like I said, even if you decide not to go with the feedback of such users, they can't say they weren't given the opportunity to politely voice their ideas and concerns. The ideas and concerns would've been duly considered by you guys (I hope), and then it's up to you, as the staff, to make these decisions.

    I hesitate on calling this a focus group or anything, since anyone should be able to give feedback, but it's basically along the same lines. I wouldn't believe you guys if you said that some vocal and resistant users don't give you a headache, so this would at least be a means of allowing you to cater to them and then make a decision based on what they've said and based on what you all feel is the best course. It would also be a nice forum for people like me, who have some issues with a feature's execution but not the actual intent of it or the feature itself, to voice concerns beforehand.

    It's all politics, yes, but as your company grows, so does the politics involved. That's just a fact of life. Because I'm being so vocal about this, I would be willing to help out with such an endeavor in any way that I can.

  • File:Tunnel-vision.jpg
    Editing blog comments can be dangerous

    In no particular order

    1. Unregistered (anon) users are taken to Main_Page when they use the short URL form: domain.wikia.com ... so what's the fuss?
      • Registered users must opt-out of the MyHome redirect ... ok so personally I might prefer an opt-in approach but even so ... what's the fuss?
    2. Permanently redirecting Special:MyHome to :Main_Page is, imho, just as gratuitously arrogant as making the MyHome redirect opt-out instead of opt-in.
    3. The RTE is evolving and bugs are being fixed each month - I am grateful for that because many potential contributors recoil when the see anything that remotely resembles markup code. The trick is to have a WYSIWYG editor that doesn't create housekeeping work for community admins/sysops.
    4. Cross-wiki search ... FTW !  :-)
    5. Monobook - I absolutely believe staff when they say that continuing support for Monobook is too large a drain on Wikia resources. Besides, aren't there plenty of Monobook-clone Monaco skins in use today?
      • Every link which the monobook skin provided (and that the Monaco skin does not) can be served up to browsers inside either (i) the Monaco-toolbox or (ii) a custom WikiPage widget. ... so, what's the fuss?
    6. Special:RecentChanges already provides filtering based on the namespace. As I understand things, the Latest Activity widget is not supposed to replace Special:RecentChanges. ... so, what's the fuss?
    • When might I be able to preview these "tunnel vision" blog comments before posting them?

    Kyle et al, please listen to what Brandon Rhea is saying here. Some informal (maybe blog based) Request for comment (RFC) system for planned changes at Wikia would go a long way toward placating/defusing that small but vocal community of users who resist change. Wikia staff can remain in the driver's seat and yet still cater to a feed-forward process rather than suffer the "slings and arrows of outrageous" feedback ... don't you think?

  • I see that two people, myself included, have replied to the potential disallowance (is that a word? o_O) of the My Home hack. I wouldn't call that "everybody" being "so afraid." =P

  • Why is everybody so afraid about Wikia disallowing the use of Javascript to get redirect MyHome? Firstly, Wikia doesn't even disallow the use of Javascript or CSS to remove editing. Here are some other great uses for Javascript and CSS, all legal, of course.

    • Having users load hundreds of images on every page load.
    • Giving elements flashing colors.
    • Having users download large files.

    I do not guarantee items on this list to be legal.

  • @Bentendo - No problem. Happy to help. =)

  • @Brandon: Thanks! That helps a lot!

  • @KyleH: PLease dont disallow MyHome redirect hacks

  • Any chance that we could hear about the specific ideas beforehand and give you some feedback, as opposed to finding out all about it once they're implemented? That's the one constant criticism I have in regards to the release of new features on Wikia. It's always good to hear the feedback on the ideas, consider them, implement potential changes based on the feedback you receive, and then release the feature. I think it'd make blog posts like this go much smoother, because even if people don't like a new feature then at least Wikia can say that the user had the chance to give their ideas and that all of said ideas were duly considered and given an appropriate amount of thought.

    That’s my Christmas wiki-wish for Santa this year. =P

  • Brandon,

    I would be more specific, but we're still working out exactly what that means. :) What we do know is that MyHome has been wildly successful in promoting the kind of behavior that it was designed to encourage, so we will be focusing a lot more effort in to making it even more useful. It's likely that in the coming months there will be new links in the skin to MyHome, and new features which are dependent on MyHome.

  • @Brandon Rhea: I think he meant in the sense that it'd be against policy to use it in the same way it's against policy to use those pages to alter or remove ads on wikis

  • Hey Kyle, thanks for the responses. What are these things that will make MyHome an integral part of the editing experience? To me, without anymore information than that, that idea just sounds like an over-exaggeration. I could be wrong, but that's why I'm asking for more info!

    Also, if you're going to get rid of the hack that gets rid of MyHome, I'd strongly suggest you allow wikis to opt out of it, just like with the blogs. If a wiki doesn't want it, then IMO it shouldn't be forced to have it.

  • Hi everyone! Thanks for all the great feedback. I'd like to clarify a few issues and respond to some of the questions that you have posted real quickly.

    First of all, cross-wiki search will not replace the standard search that is already on your wiki. Initially, cross-wiki search will only be launched here on Wikia Central, and should give people visiting wikia.com for the first time the best opportunity possible to find wikis that they might be interested in. We may choose to expand it to be available on individual wikis at some point in the future, but even if that happens, it will not replace the existing search on your wiki--only supplement it.

    Second, we have no current plans to disallow the Javascript modifications which change the behavior of MyHome; however, over the next couple of months, we will be adding several new features to MyHome which will make it an integral part of the editing experience on Wikia. For that reason, we believe that these hacks are a bad idea and we may need to disallow them at some point in the future.

    Finally, we're sorry about the bug that is making it so you can't dismiss the talk page message that we sent out for this blog post. We have resolved the issue; however, it may be necessary for you to log out then log back in to cause the message to disappear (this time only).

    Thanks!

  • As far as I know, Wikia hasn't said anything about it...

  • Is this legally correct if you just redirect via JS?

  • The JS thing is for MyHome.

  • It's CSS not JS

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